Night Elf lore ignored for gameplay reasons?

The question is about World of Warcraft in general. Yes, I know all races except the Humans got their lore and “culture” ignored for the sake of gameplay. But I think the situation is the worst when it comes to Night Elves.
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First of all, Night Elves have a strictly gender segregated society. And that was completely ignored for gameplay reasons.

The Sentinels, basically their military, led by Priestesses of the Moon, are strictly female, and that was ignored so there could be playable male Night Elven Warriors, Hunters and Priests. But most of the NPCs are female, so I give them credits for that, there are a few males though.

The same thing can be said about the Watchers. I don’t remember any male Watcher NPC though, but they were made able to be male so that there could be male Night Elf Rogues.

Furthermore, for gameplay reasons, they’ve made their Priestess, NPCs, basically into playable Priests. Well, from lore point of view, that couldn’t be more wrong. Playable Priests are Human Priests in lore, as simple as that. Priestesses of the Moon, lore wise, aren’t even “Priestesses”. They are Huntresses and Warriors! Maybe not traditional, or playable Hunters and Warriors (again playable Warriors and Hunters are Human Warriors and Hunters in lore), but definitely Huntressess and Warriors. Using glaves instead of swords or spears, bows instead of guns etc… They also have that Balance Druid Starfalling aspect, but more on that in my next point.

Than there are the Druids. Lore wise, Druids should be exclusively Night Elf males. But for gameplay reasons, they’ve made them able to be female. But here, unlike with the Sentinels, there are even as many female NPCs as male. There are even female ancient Archdruids, which is ridiculous lore wise. To make both factions able to be Druids, they made Tauren able to be Druids, and as many Tauren NPC druids as Night Elves, which literally doesn’t make any sense lore wise. And than later, for gameplay reasons again, they’ve made Trolls and Humans (including the Worgen) able to be Druids, makes even less sense than Tauren. They could’ve done it like they did with Monks, sure more races can be Monks, but almost all NPCs and trainers are Pandaren. Furthermore they “expanded” their powers. Balance Druids were obviously invented when they realised that they won’t be able to make Priestess of the Moon a playable Class, but they wanted to implement that Starfalling aspect in game, so they made a Balance Druid spec. Balance Druids don’t make a lot of sense in lore. Druids don’t worship Elune (it’s a Priestess of the Moon thing), they worship Wild Gods or Ancient Guardians (Cenarius, Malorne, Aesinna etc…).

Than came Cataclysm. And they excepted the Highborne back into their society, only so they could be Mages. But again lore wise makes no sense. Night Elves despise magic, and the Highborne, who slaughtered them during WotA, and are responsible for most of Night Elven problems (Satyrs, Naga etc…)

The last point are the Demon Hunters. Again, when Blood Elves allied with Illidan, they allied for the sake of sating their magical addiction. But Illidan never trusted them. He thought his arts of combat only to his pupils, those he trusted at fully. And they were Night Elves exclusively (both genders this time). He didn’t trust other races. Hence why there are no Naga, Broken or Satyr Demon Hunters. (Murloc Demon Hunters are a joke) Yet for gameplay reasons they’ve made Blood Elves able to be Demon Hunters, lore wise makes no sense.

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There’s lore explanations for all those things. You may not like the lore, but that doesn’t invalidate it.

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Important thing is that their tree burnt, which was very good.

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Have you read anything about the Nightelven lore? Or you just wrote this bunch of wall text by playing WC3?

Well, honestly there’s no explanation for female Archdruids, or Archdruids of any other race. How can a idk 50 year old Tauren be as powerful as a 10 000 year old Night Elf? Or Priestesses being well, Priestesses.

“A Night elf laughed at me for living inside a volcano. Well, at least I don’t have to worry about my mountain burnin’ down, now DO I?!”

I have, and I have played Warcraft 3, but WC3 lore doesn’t really matter anymore it was completely changed (Nightborne are a perfect example). But still, in let’s say WotA, Priestesses of Elune are Warriors, Huntresses and Balance Druids. Sure they heal, but with the moon light, they don’t worship the Light and Void. Look at Tyrande in HotS.

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Tauren potential? :woman_shrugging: Why are human mages as powerful as or more powerful than elven mages? Or why aren’t draenei priests the most powerful priests? Blizzard doesn’t care, it’s far from the best writing but this is how their world works.

By lore perspective there are no Tauren paladins, there are Tauren Sunwalkers.

By lore perspective, there are no Troll survival hunters, there are Shadow hunters.

By lore perspective, there should not be Nightborne hunters, as it is something savage for them.

https://imgur.com/a/yqnJtFF
https://imgur.com/a/eAKt2Hi

By lore there are no Blood elf paladins, there are Blood knights.

And many more, sometimes you need to do exceptions.

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What do you mean?

Do you want to say no one knew that they were surrounded by the arcane shield?

They knew.

Ashamane sacrificed herself to give enough time for Suramarian Highbornes to make their shield.

Moonguard Highborne knew of existance of the Nightborne as well.

Heck, even the Tyrande knew, but she and her lover have banned all contacts with the Highborne society of the Empire until the Cata.

Here is the proof:

Tyrande: Arcanist Thalyssra. I remember where your order stood in the War of the Ancients. How do we know you won’t betray us and become the next Elisande… the next Azshara?

Meaning she knew they have isolated themselves.

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Velen actually is the most powerful priest! :thinking:

Yes, I agree here. Though again, playable mages with all those wizard hats, self cleaning broom, crystal balls etc… are actually human mages in lore, not elven with their fountains and floating magics. But let’s not complicate things too much.

Yes, as I’ve said, Night Elves are far from only race lore being ignored. But let’s not complicate things.

Shadow Hunters have Nothing to do with Survival Hunters. They are ranged. And they are Loa Worshipers. They are actually Troll Priests in lore, Voodooists, not playable Priests. Playable Troll Priests in lore are actually blue Human priests with long tusks. Side note, don’t know if you ever played Wc3, but Shadow Hunter was actually a healer.

This is actually lore wise 100% accurate. Blood Knight are Paladins. They are obviously themed around Retribution Paladins, but still Paladins. Paladins were created during the 2nd war (or Warcraft 2) as weapons of the Allience. Makes sense that High Elves would train a portion of their Warriors in the art.

No it doesn’t mean that. it means that Tyrande simply remembers Thalyssra from the days of WotA, and what she did back in the day. Like all Nightborne, Thalyssra was a Highborne during WotA, so she stood with Azshara. What Tyrande said is that she doesn’t trust her cause of the past.

In Wc3, wouldn’t Maiev or Illidan notice a whole city, or a giant arcane globe. Even if it was hidden from sight, Illidan’s powers allows him to see magic. And he was leading a whole army of magic addicted Naga. Wouldn’t they sense an enormous source of the sweet magic? The story would start turning differently than.

P.S man wall of text, again!

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If they did, Ashamane would not aid the Higborne of the Suramar.

Elisande and her council have betrayed the Queen before the war started. If they were following Azshara, they wouldn’t eliminate themselves in Suramar.

Before the war, Elisande served as a highly influential member of the Highborne caste in the ancient Kaldorei Empire, acting directly at the behest of Queen Azshara herself. Ever distrustful of the demons of the Burning Legion which her Queen had allied with, Elisande eventually moved against them. -wowpedia

Suramar in WC3

You said it all, eventually. Meaning in the begining they stood with Azshara.

Are you playing dumb?

You said:

I am saying that as long as the Queen started allying with Sargeras Elisande and her council stood against Azshara.

Thalyssra was not a leader those times, she was one of the members of the council.

War of Acients have started to stop the Queen and her summoning the Srageras. So the Suramar Highborne were part of Kaldorei resistance too.

If Suramar Highborne were still with Azshara why would Ashamane the wild God would sacrifice herself for them?

You want to say Ashamane was follower of the Azshara too?

Because Ashamane like other wild and demi gods, were fighting to stop the legion.

And yes, Tyrande mentions the fact that Suramar Highborne did not fight till the end but they have eliminated themselves from everyone when the Great Sundering happened. Which literally means betrayal. The Highborne started fighting and in the middle they decided to make a shield and save themselves.

That is why there is a big mistrust to the Highborne, in modern Kaldorei society.

No, no, we miss understood. Suramar Highborne stood with the Queen at the begining of the War. When the slaughter of the “Lowborne” started and the rebellion was formed. Elisande (and thus Thalyssra) didn’t like what the Queen was doing, but remained loyal for a time.

It was only after the resistance acquired their allies (Cenaius and the Ancient Guardians, Dragonflights, Treants etc…) that the Legion started to loose grounds. So the plan was to open a second portal in Suramar.

It was only than when Elisande decided that enough was enough and that it’s time to rebel against Azshara. So they decided to use the pillars of creation to isolate themselves. Ashamane, knowing that she had to help them, or the Legion would take Suramar by force and open the second portal and conquer the world, intervened which ended up with her sacrifice and the isolation of Suaramr.

(source, Elisande and Suramar on wowpedia can’t share links)

And no, there’s a big mistrust, because most of the Highborne stayed loyal to Azshara until the very end. (and eventually becoming the Naga)

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That’s great another night elf are the leftover of wow because of evil humans, because the dev hate them, ecetera ecetera for a fresh breath of oxygen …

/switch to sarcastic mode : We’re talking about night elves the morning, during dinner, the afternoon, at night but is it enough ?

I see some people playing the game, enjoying it as they can, they do not think about the night elves day and night and that is alarming !

there were many Highborne societies, the ones who became Naga were the chosen Highborne of Azshara herself, serving her till the end in the Zin’Azshari.

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At least we are not discussing the Void elves and the High elves, so it is sort of a variety in the forums, so shhh do not interupt.

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Cenarius taught both the elves and Taurens about druidism (is that a word?) and Cenarius is the son of Elune. So it makes perfect sense why they would have a sect devoted to Elune.

Speaking of which though. Why is Cenarius only a demi-god and not even a proper Wildgod, if he is the son of Elune and Malorne? One of the most powerful Wildgods and what might be the creator or at least a life/light lord? Shouldn’t Cenarius be at the very least Titan level if he is the son of Elune and a Wildgod?

Ye you missed alot about the Night elves and I have been one since 2004. The tree burning did not really wipe out the night elf society as 2 things are missed the military as you pointed out are mainly female so the night elves have plenty of stock so to speak to make up the numbers. The druids as well are in the emerald dream, the burrows as they were not many in Tedrassii. About 40% of the population mainly live in Nordrassil or around it and other areas. Also the druids which have been kept asleep the wolf aspect their number is not mentioned.

Also when you mentioned about the highborne that in a way is in correct. All elves before sundering were night elves. The high borne which become high elves shrunk in height because they did not have the well or fed them, in a way that is incorrect the well made the night elves from wild trolls. They lost their height because of not having the well and as punishment in a way.

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Pretty sure Cenarius being the son of Elune was an attempt to explain Balance Druids in lore. But we don’t know exactly what Elune is, yet. He was raised by Ysera, his mother in all but “biology”, that’s why he has her powers. Still he’s the most powerful of all Wild Gods and Ancient Guardians.

We’ll likely find out what Elune is during Shadowlands (xhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KnbbQK4h4). And, sadly, I’m pretty sure thay’ll make a complete mess out of it.

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