That’s Nightfallen options.
Could have those, plus purple eyes for my Nightborne characters.
I wouldn’t use the Nightfallen options. They look ugly.
thats what i ment 
Could have those then.
Like I say though, I wouldn’t use them.
They’re ugly to me. I’d rather use the current model with the narrow eyes, but swap between white and purple eye colour.
Fairness? Spare the vain platitude, tell that to all the races that have been unfairly treated, it’s never been about you get this and we get this in exchange. That’s not how you write a meaningful story.
They have tried to be fair, they don’t always succeed, but maybe it’s a long game. IF fairness is the goal though, the alliance fans have been waiting a long time. And all my
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That would be interesting, I’d love that, but don’t they have to redo all the gear wardrobes for that?
I assume that’s not a problem really, if possible, bring it on. Wouldn’t mind night elves also being able to have nightborne thin options, would do wonders for the magic caster highborne mage or priest fantasy.
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Night Elves get Kalimdor
Forsaken get Lordaeron
Fairness and what their fanbases have wanted.
And you want me to tell it to the races that have been unfairly treated? Ok then…Night Elves and Forsaken.
Fortunately, the former is going to Hyjal.
Now we just need the latter to return to their home of Lordaeron.
That hardly seems a fair trade, Kalimdor is much larger than Lordaeron
and I rather detest simple exchanges like that, it’s a horrible way to write a story… . There is more to balance than what land area we get.
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Kalimdor - as in, the night elf controlled lands, in North West Kalimdor. The only exception being Azshara.
Lordaeron - Capital City and the immediate surroundings (Tirisfal and Silverpine) with maybe Hillsbrad and Alterac.
Plus, this is what the fans want and Blizzard are delivering for one half (night elf fans), now they should deliver for the other half (forsaken fans.)
Night Elves always had more than the Forsaken anyway.
Just return Lordaeron to the Forsaken/the Horde, like Hyjal is being given to the Alliance.
Heaven forbid blizzard change things up at all. It’s okay to move on from the classic/cata boundaries, as long the new stuff is better than the former, and despite it’s losses, the race ends up stronger and in a better position. I mean this for every race btw.
Anyway, this is primarily about customisations, not who should get what lands. Can we all centre on that?
They are meant to be, it’s a degenerate state, the nightborne state wasn’t meant to be pretty either, anorexic, a little twisted because of the over indulgence… I think we found it cool because Suramar was so cool, and it was finally nice to have a night elf sub-race that brought out more of the dark elf side many of us had wanted to see after being force fed forest elf for the race that was supposed to be both. At least that’s what did it for me.
However now they’re on the horde, we still want the original night elf’s dark elf side with Elune and the Arcane to come out a lot more prominently than it has done. We’ve had more than enough of the druids and sentinels, time for the Priestesses and the Highborne/moonguard mages to shine. We’ve had a lot of forests, but very little of their cities and Temples too, and it’s not right that their best city is on their sub race on the other faction either, so it would be good they also get an incredible city that highlights the best aspects of them on this faction too.
More on Customisations
Personally I feel care should be taken to have both Night elf and Nightborne have customisations that really reflect this they’ve done a superb job so far don’t you agree? It’s just a few things are missing. From the night elf customisations we really need a show of that star arcane magic - this is very tied into both Elune and their arcane mastery from their golden era This is why I’d love those start effects on Tyrande and some cool variations to come to the night elf toons.
For Nightborne I think the improvements were fantastic… really were, I think most important additions they need are some extra options for ears, and how cool would it be if conjured armor was part of their character customisation??
Both these additions are bang on spot on part of the lore of the two groups and show an aspect of them that is so cool and I think players would love. Wouldn’t you? (bias aside). I like both these night elf races, so naturally want good stuff for both, lore fitting stuff.
Have you thought about not wanting radical change? Moving the Forsaken to Orgrimmar was big enough.
Players want rid of Shadowlands because it’s far too big and far too radical. We need things on a lower level and toned down and Forsaken returning to Lordaeron, just like Night Elves going back to their lands, is what is wanted by both fanbases.
You can’t just ignore the wishes of the Forsaken fanbase and try and say “Yeah, but this (Icecrown Citadel) will be better for you!” As already mentioned, the Forsaken have no relation to Icecrown, Northrend or Theramore. It’s Lordaeron.
Isn’t that just added Night Warrior affects, given to Elune’s chosen Night Warrior? Also given directly by Elune, to her chosen Night Warrior?
I mean, Night Elf toons can already have the black eyes, but they aren’t the chosen night warrior.
Strikes me, but your versions of “big change” only seem to be directed at the Horde races, where they’re losing their lands and given scraps as compensation.
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This is not about where the forsaken should go. I gave my thoughts on what I felt would be really cool for forsaken. I’m not here to equalise things between the alliance and the horde. Or subvert my topic into a war against alliance and horde fans… please don’t turn this into that, drop it. It’s fine if you disagerew ith my point of view, but let’s not go there any more.
I’m here to look into cooler features for Night elf and Nightborne models.
Star effects are not exclusive to the Night warrior although we see a very cool visualisation, it’s part of the arcane and Elune legacy of the night elves, they are the children of the stars, we see Priestesses, druids and mage of the night elves cast star and moon arcane spells long before the night warrior, and we know this is a part of their racial thing.
Having this in the customisation speaks both the
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And what you think doesn’t equate to the fanbases’ wishes.
Lordaeron should be Forsaken and Horde land.
But the affects you want are Night Warrior specific and unique only for Tyrande. Not everything that is on the NPC’s can always be given to the playerbase. I mean, look at Sylvanas. No red eyes for Blood Elves, no “ranger-like” hood which shows some of her hair.
I don’t see Shandris Feathermoon or Malfurion Stormrage or the night elf mage leader running around with big elune-moon tiaras
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What a pointless and un-necessary but contentious thing to say. I never said it was, I was just giving my views, you don’t have to be like this you know.
I gave examples of effects that are on the night warrior, the night warrior is also part of the Elune and arcane legacy, and so it makes sense to be included with them, I also never said it should be limited to exactly that, it’s a good example of what I mean and cool to have as I myself and many others I’ve observed like it. I suspect that is why you don’t want them to have it. Heaven forbid they get something cool and attractive you don’t have, on the other faction.
We got black eyes, and we don’t have to be night warriors to have it. Yet cool things on NPCs that we like, we are free to desire them, especially when there is good bases for them.
And here is why it is this way
Surely you realise it’s not the stars on the customisation that are indicative of night warrior specifically over a non-night warrior star magic wielding night elf priest, it’s the deeper purple glow of the void that is. Stars are also as much indicative of arcane and the light side of the Elune’s moon despite the fact the her night warrior model has a silver glowing crescent moon and silver stars, not a purple one. The night warrior accesses both arcane and void magic we clearly see throughout, however non-night warriors just access arcane …this is probably why there is that deep glowing purple on her tattoos, showing the void influences
I’ve been asking for customisations that show the arcane star aspect of the night elves “Children of the stars” kaldorei, long before I saw the night warrior customisations. When I saw them, I knew this was an example of what I felt would be good. And it looked cool. It surprises you we want this any more than blood elf players wanting Lor’themar scars and eye options?
I don’t care whether you agree with me or not, you don’t seem very supportive of night elves getting anything that looks cool. You seem to take the view of “if it’s cool and especially arcane magic related” it should remain inaccessible, either on NPCs or on the horde, or just not happen, you would argue that oh, it’s not right, it’s only a few etc, like you’re some expert on it. You don’t care at all hat the lore tells and shows these things, you just don’t want your enemy race to have them. You’re a blood elf fan that doesn’t seem to want anyone but blood elves and by extension your faction to have anything that looks remotely arcane magical and cool if this response is anything to go by. Your devotion is huge acolyte Leia, but in the lore, arcane magic isn’t exclusive right to the blood elves, and they got it from the night elves, who seem to pretty much wield a lot of star and moon magic in their race. And arcane magic is an original staple of the alliance faction I’d remind you.
But you are entitled to your opinion. I do disagree however.
The whole point about customisation is giving new and cool things that are lore and race relevant. Most of the new customisations were never seen on NPCs before they were given, some of them were, and were given because they were cool.
Don’t attack fans for desiring something they find cool because you don’t want them to have it or covet it exclusively for the blood elves.
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When you’ve got form for wanting Horde lands, we have every reason to be like this.
We do have the glyph of stars for the Balance Druids.
Give my Worgen some love before ur demands ty >:C
See you’re still making this about things the topic isn’t about and not what I said either. And even if it was, that’s not an excuse for your behaviour.
A customisation for a race is not the same as an alternate form for a class. Astral form is used as an example of a star effect you can have on the head and shoulders, it is not suggested that the entire astral form be a customisation.
This should be clear to anyone willing to understand what is being said. Don’t be so petty because you are being called out, You know exactly what I meant.
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Whatever.
Lordaeron should be going back to the Horde and the Forsaken.
Not some pathetic excuse for Icecrown or “Under Theramore.”
Right, so more “Arcane” based stuff.
So long as it’s different from the Nightborne.
Although, I don’t understand your push for more “fel” things on blood elves and more “arcane” things on night elves.
Do you just adore blood elf warlocks and night elf mages so much? I mean, both are very niche in their respective societies.
Nobody will judge you for maining those two race/class combos, but please remember - they aren’t big in their respective societies any longer.
It is different, I’m not suggesting stars and glowy outline to night elf tattoos for Nightborne. Nor am I suggesting a shower of stars or a body aura of star effects.
They may have the same heritage, same racial base, but it’s okay for them to have different visualisations for models.
I quite supportive of Illidari demon hunter casters, whether that comes as a warlock class or a 3rd demon hunter spec or DH skin for warlocks - because it’s a part of the lore that night elves are at the heart of.
Didn’t you notice? I’m just gunning for things already in the lore to be part of the playable race in some form, whether visually in customisation or indications.
I do this for every race i like, and when people suggest things that are part of their lore I usually support it, Especially if it’s cool.
I’m not big on blood elf warlocks, but I don’t mind if it expands in lore. Night elf mages are a huge part of night elf lore, but not much visualisation in game, same with Elune and the Moon priestesses, especially the star aspect of the night elves which defines them more than forests and nature in their original presentation which I loved.
I would rather Illidari play a bigger role with blood elves than warlocks, but I’m not averse to seeing blood elf warlocks from their time with Illidan be a powerful entity.
Notice how I don’t talk much about blood elf mages or night elf druids - it’s not that I don’t like them, they have more than enough representation, and where they have needed some I have always suggested. I suggested leaves and vines for hair and beards to show more of that aspect, wilder hairstyles, and suggested even options for antlers would be cool but noted that was a druid thing and probably better suited for an allied race of night elves focused on the forest purely - rather than having Elune, arcane and demon hunters - which fits the wider, larger bigger race.
I also suggested things for blood elf mages, like extended jewellery, some arcane effects like the 3 floating balls Kael’thas has but also noticed that effect is more a mage thing than a racial thing.
The point is these aspects are well visualised in those races, sot hey really don’t ned inclusion much, it’s just aspects that are in the lore, cool or prominent but we see little sign in game.
Thank you, but I don’t need others’ approval to play what I like or play the race/class combinations i play in the way I want them. But I appreciate you trying to assure me and will point out to you that they don’t need to be “big” in their societies currently to be desirable, special, influential, powerful or a key part of their race. This is not the sole criteria for having things.
However with night elves, the arcnae, well of eternity, with star and moon magic is a key core part of them that is woven into their priesthood origin and race…whether magecraft or arcnae usage is big amongst Darnassians or not. Fel usage and demon hunting isn’t big, but it’s certainly played a large role in the scheme of things and taken up a large chunk of night elf lore in game and in the books when combined…
The night elves skin colour, eye colour, origin, history, and much of the reason for their last 15,000 years is all centred around arcane magic, whether for good (pre-sundering) or for ill (long vigil) - it is central to their story, though it isn’t the only thing… just because something isn’t prolific in one of the societies doesn’t mean it isn’t a part of the race or it plays a large role in the swtor. They don’t have to have an arcane city or roles in order for this to be true. Banning magic, protecting the Well of Eternity was the central focus of the whole long vigil, just because they didn’t practice magic or have it prolifically in their society does not mean it wasn’t central to them and their story, it was, just in a different way than it was in the past.
In both pre-sundering and long vigil it plays a central role, their Moonwells litter the land though the northern group didn’t use it for spells. It has always been central, their eyes glowing with the power though for 10,000 years the main group didn’t use it. That time has passed, now they do use it, well some of them and you have groups like the Shen’dralar, Moonguard and Highborne who are all based on the civilization side, soo it is fitting to have representations of both eras in the night elves as well as customisations that reflect night elves as demon hunters, night elves as Highborne/Moonguard legendary magical casters, night elves as star and moon arcane magic wielding priestesses of Elune represented as much as night elves as hunters, archers, rangers or druids.
It’s part of their lore and significant too, suggesting representation for this and visualisation comes naturally to anyone who likes these things. I’m not sure why you try to stand in the way of it, minimise it or what you are trying to do when you keep insisting on barring this.
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Orc Warlocks are in lore - hell, the biggest playable race known for their Warlocks, but their representation is extremely small.
The point is - not every aspect of every race has time to be fully explored.
Night Elf Druids are big in the lore because the Druid class is a staple to the Night Elves.
The reason I talk about Blood Elf Mages is because they are staple to the Sin’dorei race and the staple areas of the playable race are what need true representation. Magisters, Blood Knights and Farstriders are the core here.
Warlocks, Warriors, Demon Hunters, Rogues, Priests, Death Knights and Monks are just not that big of a thing.
You just won’t get everything for every race. It’s far too big.
Blizzard have done right with focusing on the key aspects of each race. If you want Illidari features, then play a night elf or sin’dorei demon hunter.
You do have “Highborne” like features with necklaces and stuff, but the key focus was Elune, Druidism and Sentinels (blind eyes and scarring.)
Blood Elves got their golden eyes, purple eyes, lavish jewelry, but - it’ll be these guys that need more than the other Elves. (Once Void Elves get their additional void features.)
You’re super obsessed with them, that’s why you talk so much about them even when there is no need to.
You do realise I harp on about night elf and the stars, Elune and arcane because these are core aspects of the race that AREN’T readily visible in their in game presentation right… it doesn’t mean I love them more than the forest or druid side. I tend to do this in topics I create to discuss that matter and don’t barge in on every bodies topic to ram it down their throat that blood elves are good at arcane and also need to have even more show despite the clearly very obvious and very strong portrayal. That is obsession.
You don’t see me relentlessly hounding every post people make across several forum boards, constantly sliding it in there when the topic has nothing to do with it and resenting everyone elses desire for their own races version when it aligns with yours…
There is a difference.
Also you don’t hear me go around telling people constantly what they won’t get the things they request, especially and only when what they are asking about relates to the arcane outside the blood elves. This you always do too. You overstep.
We get it, you don’t want any one else but the blood elves to shine in the arcane. That is just not the reality of the situation, nor is it up to you. Night elves, void elves, high elves, humans and draenei wave right back at ya. Sorry but as much as you like it or want it to, the arcane isn’t the exclusive right and property of the blood elves., nor are they “masters above all others” of it in the lore.
They are very good at it though.