Night Elf Warlocks as Illidari should be possible, right?

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While normal Night elves would never touch the stuff, Illidari night elves make ruthless use of it.

I wonder if playable Warlocks on the Night elf race is actually quite possible if they use the Illidari models that Demon Hunters use. In an ironic sense, his could be the caster version people wanted for the DH, and probably why it never made sense to give it - because an Illidari using fel from range is essentially a Warlock, even though he has a different name.

Lore

Lore wise it would be like how Tidesages are not quite shaman, but on Kul’tirans use the shaman class, or Zandalari druids or Blood Knights are not the regular type of druid/paladin - but it is essentiall the class.

Illidari hate demons, and consider them filth of the universe, but ruthlessly use them. They have scores of demons they employ just like Warlocks, and use them. their order hall shows this quite well and ofc any one who levelled through TBC, played DH or read WotA/Illidan novel and played the Illidan questlines should really know this.

The difference between an Illidari warlock (who should have a different name - like Fel Lord) and most warlocks (most not all), is that they absolutely hate demons though they use their power completely.

When you hear Illidan, you have no doubt he holds demons in utter contempt, and his corruption is using them and their power to destroy their organisations.

Gameplay

  • Night Elf warlocks - can only use the Illidari (DH) customisation, i.e. the same model the demon hunter class uses

  • Blood elf Warlocks - can have a choice to use either normal blood elf eyes and features, or Illidari ones, because normal blood elves can be warlocks, while normal Night elves cannot.

  • Illidari Fel Lord Warlock options, will default Green fire, but you can glyph for the normal fire. The reverse is the case for normal warlocks.

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I think you’re over complicating the justification of it.

An entire… world? universe? has been ripped open in the sky.
The Gods of the known universe have been defeated / jailed.
Their home lands have been destroyed.

Now isn’t exactly the time to get onto an elf for dabbling in fel magic.
Magic that has proven potent and useful by current “heroes”.

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Their are no Illidari Night Elf Warlocks anyway. They are all Demon Hunters.

Night Elves ventured to Karabor and this was a test set by Illidan to prove their whit, strength and will-power. Blood Elves were given extremely dangerous missions to test their metal.

Plus, what you talk about was something Illidan already had in place, with his Blood Elf Warlocks that were loyal to him and were binding demons as tools. If anything, due to the Blood Elves already having Warlocks, their is no need for any night elf to even take up the art. Plus, as the above says - in these times, no night elf would be aiming to take up those magics anyway.
Call on the Blood Elves - they are already the best of the Elven races, when it comes to wielding and controlling fel magic anyway.

Their is absolutely no need for Night Elves to be Warlocks. The only Elven races that should have access to Warlock are, Blood Elves and Void Elves. Not even Nightborne should have the class, to be honest.

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Perhaps you’re not getting me? I said should be possible? I am aware of all you just said.

But when it comes down to it, demon hunter in lore can use magic quite well, like any sorcerer, Illidan is said to be one of the most powerful Sorcerors to have ever lived (WOW Compendium)

It’s just that the demon hunter class focuses on the melee side, because the Demon hunter is highly trained for war in every area, spell and melee.

They even acknowledged when asked about a caster spec, that while it was possible, they wanted to focus the class on melee, it just wouldn’t feel right to have a class called the demon hunter hurling spells, we have the warlock - gameplay wise.

Well, what if we made the Illidari caster possible? Showing up as the Warlock on Night elves but using the Illidari model.

This is what I am getting at, there is a bit more nuance, might it be possible? That is the question.

Really? Is this your justification? there is no need for any race to be any class, lets be honest here. Nevermind all of us who want more options, (if and when they can make sense ofc)

Besides, isn’t it the Illidari Night elf that is being the warlock here to give the race a plausible new class combo rather than just throwing it in.

I mean who would want more class combos if they could make sense right? Surely no one /s

Don’t think I didn’t notice you conveniently omit that it is Illidari night elves that are being warlocks, not normal ones, but you would also be the sort of poster who’d have said “there is no need for Night elves to be demon hunters” - night elves hate fel and Illidan is just an exception, they are too small in number and whatever bogus reasoning - cos you know, people can’t have things.

or maybe you just like playing devil’s advocate. So are you saying what I ma saying doesn’t make sense? Cos that’s the question I am really asking.

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The difference is, rather than just weaving fel magic to cast spells, Demon Hunters have literally digested a Demon’s Heart and tore their eyes out.
That is what happened to the few night elves who joined the Illidari.

They weren’t Warlocks. They were Demon Hunters.

Exactly. You’ve just said the reason as to why they didn’t and won’t make a caster spec. Plus, if they did, it would be a Demon Hunter thing…not a Warlock thing and not some shambolic excuse to bring “night elf warlocks” into the fray.
If you want to play a powerful elven Warlock, then play a Blood Elf or Void Elf Warlock. If you want a mediocre at best, then play a Nightborne Warlock.

They were possible. During TBC. Didn’t you see all the Blood Elven spellcasters, who were around the Karabor Training Grounds and standing in the Black Temple’s, Promenade.

No, because what your asking for is for a Night Elf to go through the entire Demon Hunter process, but not be a Demon Hunter, even though, by every standard, they are a Demon Hunter.

But it’s already playable as a Night Elf Demon Hunter.

Stop talking about Illidari Night Elf Warlocks. They don’t exist. They are all Demon Hunters.
Blood Elven Illidari Warlocks were the ones that existed and you could see them in the Karabor Training ground, keeping Azaloth banished.

It doesn’t make sense, at all.
It doesn’t tie into the lore about how one becomes a Demon Hunter, under Illidan and it ignores what the blood elves and night elves actually go through, once they’ve digested the heart of the demon.
They blind themselves to madness - this isn’t a key factor when one becomes a Warlock. One might be power hungry, one might feel as though the arcane is a waste - but they do not go through this vital ritual, which involves digesting a demon’s heart. They simply don’t do that.

Don’t go mad at me, just because you can’t play as a night elf highborne for everything.

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Perhaps I am not mad at you because I can’t play what I want, but rather because you come in full negative/ Its as if your saying nothing should be possible except what is already in the game, and things must remain only as you see them or want them. You don’t even consider, you just repliled given all the reason this can’t or shouldn’t or won’t work. I’m like gimme a break, can a person be less open ?

I know wwhat is in the game sweet cheeks, you don’t have to tell me it is not in the game, and then say this is not possible - when it is a query topic.

Be flat out honest, and say you wouldn’t like it to be, and give your reasons, rather than make bogus excuses about what is possible. This is a creative project, anything is possible, Night elves could grow wings to morrow and turn into fairies the next day if they deemed it so. Certainly playing as a warlock is not beyond the realm of possibility.

And what does this have to do with Highborne? This is about Illidari, please don’t project on me.

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I’ve given you the reasons. You just don’t like said reasons.

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Fine, maybe I did lose my cool a bit, maybe your purpose is to provide a counter, no matter how small, but forums are so negative these days, with more people far too quick to say no, or pull down any idea/suggestion than consider or just dream, it gets to me.

Responding only to effectively say no, like they’re some prophet or can see the future. All you did was tell me Night elf shouldn’t have a warlock option because they shouldn’t be warlocks, because they’re not Highborne — even though this is really looking at Illidari warlocks being possible, and as such would open up the option on the night elf playable class list.

You had yet to give a credible reason why this can’t be. It’s a totally different point if you’re saying you don’t want it to be this way, because [insert] your reasons, then we could discuss how plausible they are or if the lore already has this very thing in it, just not labelled so exactly.

Which is the point I wanted to discuss with the community, Illidari in the Felhammer and as an organisation, use demons just the same, and Illidari can cast spells, the class gameplay just doesn’t focus on that, but in the lore , Ilildan and others do a lot of spell work.

It is on this basis, that I feel Illidari warlocks are quite plausible. but none of your responses address any of that, you just come in saying no, it can’t happen because they’re night elves and night elves aren’t Highborne - like wtf?

Ask yourself, are most of your responses negative, are you only giving the things you’ve imagined or like a chance? Do you open up or consider other possibilities in Warcraft? Or do you feel you know elves so much that your opinion is definitely how it will always be?

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No, because you need to understand the full-scale of the Illidari as a whole and it’s not just this or that…their were other people involved.
The Illidari army was formed by:
Naga
Blood Elves
Demons
Broken
Fel Orcs

These were the most common races.
Those who made up a smaller force were:
Night Elves

Now within this army had all sorts of various classes. It wasn’t all Demon Hunters and Warlocks. We had Illidari Priests (Archon), Illidari Battle-Mage, Illidari Blood Knights, Illidari Guardians, then we had Naga Sea Witches, Shivarra Battle-Maidens, Broken Draenei Warriors and Shamans.
The army only had a small Warlock base, which comprised only of Blood Elves.

When the Scryers and Aldor attacked, the vast majority of these were slaughtered. What remained were the Demon Hunters, who were imprisoned and the Naga, Broken and Shivarra, who remained on Mardum.
Plus, only opening such an idea to Blood Elf or the (none-happening) Night Elf Warlocks is simply unfair, for the reasons above. Their is more to the Illidari than just Demon Hunters and Fel. Why shouldn’t my amazing Sin’dorei Mage be able to have “Illidari” features, despite being a former battle-mage of the Illidari?

Illidan mainly used his own Demon Hunter abilities because his way of becoming a Demon Hunter was different from the rest. He was granted the boon by Sargeras himself. The others had to digest a demon’s heart and go through a series of trials. The Blood Elves having it hardest.

Aside from him, he mainly used his Illidari Council Blood Elves and his other Blood Elven casters to do the spell-weaving. High Nethermancer Zerevor used his arcane powers to make contact with Kael’thas. The Warlocks, which were Blood Elves, in the training grounds were using their magics to keep Azaloth banished.

In my own story (pure fanfiction), I go into this further and develop a fitting story, behind the Illidari Blood Elves and their use of fel and arcane magic.

No because your forgetting everything else that makes the Illidari. Again, it’s not just Demon Hunters and Warlocks.
And how you want this explaining is simply, shambolic and unfair to the other Blood Elf classes which might have also been “Illidari.”

My responses are brutal and honest. I’ve had my fair share of disappointments in life, so I’ve had to tough it out and be brutal. It saves in the long run of absolute disappointment.

I’m not against ideas that make sense. If you came here and said “To expand on the upcoming story, Night Elves should have Paladins open to them. This makes sense due to Delas, but also the Night Elves using Elune’s power to kill etc etc” then I would be 100% supportive of such an idea. Why? Because that is plausible and makes sense.
I would then make a request though, that Nightborne have the Druid class open to them, as they can be an “Arcane-style Druid” and their lore would be using the arcane to cleanse nature. Admired by the Blood Elves. Intriguing the Trolls. Concern by the Tauren.

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