Hello, forum!
Here I am going to talk about relationship of night elves and humans in BfA and the argument that happened between Anduin and Tyrande, and prove some of the claims about these two races wrong. There are some arguments between NE and human fans about who is right.
First of all, I saw some kaldorei fans saying that the humans are not helping them, do not care about NE’s fate, and that “Human potential” interests are coming first. This is wrong because humans have helped night elves before, helping them to protect their lands in Kalimdor. For example, in “Wolfheart” Varian Wrynn and gilneans helped in protecting Ashenvale, Theramore forces have started to attack Horde lands, which would benefit kaldorei in the future. They also helped during the nightmare incursion before Cataclysm. Now gilneans are helping in Darkshore battle.
Now the reverse is also true. If some people doubt, Maiev was saying the truth that night elves have always aided Alliance in different continents and worlds. There are NE outposts in every expansion, Star’s Rest in Dragonblight, sentinel outposts in Krasarang wilds, Sylvanaar in Blade’s edge and Starfall outpost in Shadowmoon Valley. Night elves have always followed the Alliance and helped their faction, and even now they can be seen in Zandalar invasions, Vol’dun particularly, also participating in Battle for Lordaeon. Humans should be grateful(and they are).
Now, to the argument itself. It is important to understand that Anduin refused not because he doesn’t care about night elves and thinks only about humans, but because he had genuinely no troops to spare. He cannot leave Arathi as this is a key location and if the Horde passes it, they will be able to march into the heart of Alliance lands in EK. Operation in Zuldazar is also very important because of weakening the zandalari, the major ally of the Horde. As we can see later, it works out quite well with Rastakhan dead and fleet decimated.
But that does not necessarily mean that Tyrande is wrong. Horde holds Ashenvale and Darkshore, spreads blight there and destroys the forests. Reclaiming these lands will return hope to kaldorei and their will to fight, and give them vengeance. It also makes sense from the tactical point, as the two remaining big Alliance territories(Azuremyst isles and Mount Hyjal) are in danger of being attacked by the bigger force of the Horde, Tyrande’s army will weaken their forces and strengthen Alliance positions in Kalimdor.
So I’d say they are both right in their own way, and shouldn’t be blamed for what they have done. So what I wanted to say is that there is no discriminaton, no hypocrisy, no “Human potential” in the Alliance. All races are valuable members and help each other. And just because of one misunderstanding between Tyrande and Anduin humans and kaldorei should not forget that they are great allies and helped each other a lot in the past and carry on doing so now.
Except that Anduin offered to us (Ne) a refuge in Stormwind he never helped trully the Ne,to bee honest with you he would never send help in Darkshore.
Here is why:because of location betwen Ogrimmar and Thunder Bluff is too far for Anduin to send help so it’s a bad location for Anduin to strike,Anduin is focusing in taking the Eastern Kingdom on his position,for even Kul Tiras is closer to EK,helping the night elves with soldiers would let his barracks unguarded and Horde could attack,Anduin would not risked to send help to NE,and he will never do that ,not even the Dwarves, only a few gnomes eng.,
If you believe that Anduin cares about NE and Darkshore warfront,then you folly yourselve draenei,for we Ne are alone in this mess.
You badly attempt to understate the importance that Anduin hosting the refugee throng of Kaldorei actually means.
If you believe that Anduin cares about NE and Darkshore warfront,then you folly yourselve draenei,for we Ne are alone in this mess.
Except that he cares about Darkshore, he is simply smart enough to realize that stretching their forces too thin is a bad idea. It would seem that the vast majority of Alliance leaders would agree with the High KIng, what a surprise /s.
for we Ne are alone in this mess.
Good. You will not drag the rest of the Alliance down with you.
Well, we do not know that. Only other leaders at the meeting are Velen and Genn, the former one says that he would have helped Tyrande if not for draenei forces being weak after Argus, and the latter follows the priestess to Darkshore and helps her. Other opinions are unknown.
They have already dragged gilneans. And the only reason why Alliance should not help them is because of more serious threats like Arathi warfront.
And here I am wondering why Stormwind can defend the whole northern front almost entirely alone, but the Dwarves, with 3 Clans combined, still sit quietly in their mountain home?
Even if Stormwind had no troops to spare, Anduin could’ve appealed to the Dwarven Clans. They could’ve either replaced the Humans in Arathi(bar the Stromic people, obviously) and then he could’ve gone to Darkshore with his troops or He could’ve asked the Dwarves to aid the Kaldorei in Darkshore.
But since the Alliance War Council exists solely out of Humans, I suppose the keep forgetting other races still do exist within the Alliance.
Because you missed that one of the three commanders in Arathi is Muradin Bronzebeard, and he has Bronzebeard and Dark Iron troops aiding him, on top of normal Wildhammer gryphon riders who appear with every commander.
Even if Stormwind had no troops to spare, Anduin could’ve appealed to the Dwarven Clans. They could’ve either replaced the Humans in Arathi(bar the Stromic people, obviously) and then he could’ve gone to Darkshore with his troops or He could’ve asked the Dwarves to aid the Kaldorei in Darkshore.
Or he can stick with his course of action which is to ignore a useless warfront like Darkshore and focus on what really matters, which is the Golden Fleet, the only thing that can keep the Horde in the war.
As Arctur said, there is Muradin and his troops in Arathi. Also the vanguard of the Alliance army in Dazar’Alor is Dark Iron dwarves, who have led the charge there from the beginning.
Fair enough, even though I doubt thats all the Dwarves can bring to the table. We have hardly seen any Dwarven Army in action.
Unless you’re telling me that those with Muradin are all the Bronzebeards and Wildhammers can offer to the Alliance, since that would make them akin in size to the Silver Hand troops who come along with Turalyon…
Yeah, more dorfs are always welcome. If I can’t get a story about reclaiming some human kingdom, rebuilding Bael Modan is the next best thing.
I’m afraid from now on, it’ll be Zandalari everywhere and that Darkspear will forever be overshadowed. I don’t think we will see troll vs anyone warfront in BfA.
I don’t expect Warfront with Darkspears, and I don’t think that Darkspears will be overshadowed by Zandalari, quite the opposite. I could see them cooperate a lot and getting along. In the end Darkspears are one of the core Horde races they have to have something going for them.
I more meant for them to be more prominent in questing experience.
We,NE saved Gilneas from extinction,we did not dragged them after us,Tyrande never offered to Greymane to join in warfront,it was Greymane alone who offered his army, and yeah why Muradin would not spend any soldier for Kalimdor,that’s for sure,he just simply doesn’t care.
Oh,really and why the horde can fight on both warfronts,if Forsaken will build theyre new capital in Darkshore,nothing will stop them,because they will have 2 naval army in Kalimdor and Sylvanas would not hesitate to build his army and lay siege on Stormwind for Sylvanas know that the dwarves cannot advance with big army in Stw fast enough.
The Ne will endure and you humans of Anduin will learn not to take sides in the alliance.
We,NE saved Gilneas from extinction,we did not dragged them after us,Tyrande never offered to Greymane to join in warfront,it was Greymane alone who offered his army, and yeah why Muradin would not spend any soldier for Kalimdor,that’s for sure,he just simply doesn’t care.
Maybe Anduin and Muradin don’t care. So what? I didn’t see Tyrande spending a single Kaldorei in the reclamation of Gnomeregan or the invasion of Argus.
Oh,really and why the horde can fight on both warfronts,
What does this discussion have to do with the Horde? It’s like saying that the Kaldorei are weak because they cannot even conquer one world when the Legion conquered 10.000.
if Forsaken will build theyre new capital in Darkshore,nothing will stop them
Nowhere is it even mentioned that they planned to build their new capital in Darkshore. If anything, the loading screen and other sources show that they want to blight it all.
because they will have 2 naval army in Kalimdor and Sylvanas would not hesitate to build his army
You might want to rephrase that.
and lay siege on Stormwind for Sylvanas know that the dwarves cannot advance with big army in Stw fast enough.
There is no logic in that. How can the Horde from Arathi get to Stormwind faster than the Dwarves using the Deeprun Tram?
The Ne will endure
Yeah, because they are a playable race.
and you humans of Anduin will learn not to take sides in the alliance.
What is that even supposed to mean???
And you know that the outspoken, polite, and elegant Humans are the glue that keeps the Alliance together, right?
We did not contributed in Argus as most of the races done the same like us,stayed home,but i was in Argus i played my part there ,also Illidan is a Ne,we don’t want to conquer Darkshore we just trying to retake what belonged to us,if you think we will go in Duskwood,i think you wrong we will try retake back Darkshore or dye trying and we won’t drag your lovely Anduin’s army,if Gilneas will dye too,know that we didn’t forced them to come so they are on theyre own risk there,nobody is guaranteed there safety.
