Tyrande had one line of dialog about how we should trust her and not for her to become the next evil leader which was valid giving their history. Thaylssra should know this and understand it because it is in her character to do so, not to go on some hissy fit (presumably) off screen and cut off all ties with the Night Elves, High Elves and the Alliance because of one line of dialog.
I blame her for it, to judge all the Night Elves as Tyrande especially when there were plenty of Night Elves before (Moonguard remnant, Val’sharah Refugees, the Night Elf what planted the tree and saved them all) what didn’t show this resentment at all. And ones what forgave what their race did because ultimately it was the Legion which was controlling them.
She can be friends with the Blood Elves, hell she can be allies with them. But not to join the Horde just because of it and go back on what she said.
So explain to me what she had a sudden change in heart about “repaying the debts to the people what helped us” and “not becoming conquers” then? This happened after the one dialog of Tyrande said to Thalyssra so keep that in mind.
Edit : Also explain tp me the logic of joining a faction (especially the Horde in this case) when the tensions of reaching breaking point and a faction war seems impossible to avoid exactly? Where is the logic in that? Especially if she wanted allies for protection.
Sorry, but apperantly it is not so obvious if people are still arguing over it and you constantly see them crying over the Nightborne joining the Horde. As earlier Ervein said, Lightforged also picked a side and you don’t see me or any other horde member shreding a tear over it on forums. It’s just how it is and it was not betrayal. And if you want to prove me wrong over something, then sorry, but I’m not the “YOU GOTTA TAKE MY WORD FOR IT” kind of person.
I even went off and decided to search a bit wrtiting phrases that would find me that thing you are talking about betrayal but all I find is Alliance posts crying.
Suramar can protect itself and the Horde protects Suramar, while Suramar gives them “optional” aid. So far only Highmountain and Maghar have send in actual forces for the war campaign efforts. How it breaks down in the next patch cycle, we don’t know yet.
Far it be from me to deny you an adequate source, since you so politely ask. And I will not miss the opportunity to lecture you darlings a bit. Imagine spending a year in a single zone, building a rebellion from its beginning, only to be forgotten and shafted once its all over.
You can see people flailing and screaming over the notion of the Sethrak joining the Alliance. “No, the Horde helped them!” Take that feeling, and multiply it five times, and you might come close to feeling what the Alliance guys feel.
Why? Because its your butt on the line this time? Tell me, even if we say that the Alliance and the Horde helped equally, what did we get from it? We, as the Alliance. How was our help repaid?
If Suramar could protect itself then they wouldn’t have gone searching for allies, not with the 2 factions at least, Dalaran would be the logical choice here if that wanted an alliance.
And they have assisted in the war effort considering Thalyssra personally helped in the prison break and subsequently the burning of Stormwind. And the Nightborne helped at recruiting Allies in this war, providing transportation in the form of their portal tech’ and I am willing to be there is the odd Nightborne in the Horde ranks.
And you still didn’t address why they would join a side in either faction if they wanted protection, especially given the biggest threat to them is the looming faction war. Thalyssra is smart, she should know that joining the side what will get crushed (given how 8.0 and 8.1 is being played out) isn’t the right choice even if she liked the Horde more (can’t understand why but w/e).
Lightforged are different and I explained why they are, they are completely different.
I just hope that one day some Allied race what should go Horde instead goes to the Alliance. Perhaps Orges, Sethrak, some of the Trolls or whatever. So people who defend the Allied races get (especially the Nightborne joining the Horde) a taste of their own medicine.
Then I can sit here, have double standards acting like a hypocrite and defend it along with the awful writing and story which will most likely come with it. That is the only way you people will know why it is bad.
But for now, I just have to watch people like you be smug and ignorant of the situation, urghh.
Nightborne topics on the WoW forums have always been controversial because of the above, they always spiral into arguments about them joining the Horde. It is quite sad actually but I can’t help myself.
Or literally every faction war story ever. You should be thankful, that Blizzard gives you so much stuff to fuss about.
50% forces Blood Elves and 50% High Elves and Night Elves(The High Elves being by far the smallest group among the forces who attacked Suramar). The aid to the Sethrak was about one questline to get your foothold in Vol’dun. In the meantime the Horde:
-Saves the Life of Vorrik like the Alliance did
-canonically kills both Mythraxx and G’huun
-Puts an end to the tyranny of Korthek, making it possible for Vorrik to pick up Leadership again.
-Rekindles relationships between normal Sethrak and Vulpera, and Zandalari.
-Brings Sethraliss back to life.
Sounds like a big margain.
Extra: I am already regretting coming back to the forums after trying to cut myself off from spoilers until 8.1 releases. Seems like Blizzard made the situation even worse on the “You joined Horde, now feel bad about it!” ride.
Sources for your 50% please? Also, you did not reply to my main question. What did the Alliance get out of Suramar for their participation except a knife to the back?
Being able to feel, once again, morally superior because the narrative tells you so. Just like in MoP, Cataclysm, the Chronicles after Garrosh retcons and by a small chacne in Legion when Jaina had her short “I told you so!” entrance with the council of Six.
You don’t get it, cut the faction crap. Imagine, if you will, you and me. And you and me are building a tree-house or something. And we do it for over a year, and we like it, and we are excited about it, but once it is finished, it belongs only to me.
And when you dare question the fact, I tell you to stop whining. I do not blame the Horde, or anything, I mean, I got over the Nightborne ages ago. But that’s how the Alliance feels.
The only reason this bin fire doesn’t get talked about as much is that the house right next to is on fire (that being just most of BfA’s faction war xd).
Also I had to go on my alt to start like posts because I have ran out xd.
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Creating controversy just because they find it funny to watch the players would go on a keyboard war of accusations against each other? That’s pretty low of you Blizzard.
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