This is what I mean. Suramar was so beautifully developed, perhaps even the most developed zone the game has to offer. Suramar’s story went on f o r e v e r
So where’s the expanded universe lore 
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To be fair, what was there to blow? She reacted at the best of her knowledge.
She never went through what the Nightborne nor High/Blood Elves went through so she has no idea how it could’ve felt for them. She never was addicted to any Well, be it Well of Eternity, Sunwell or Nightwell. She never relied on magic, only to have it outlawed. She never was addicted to any kind of magic.
Her reaction only shows a understandable fear of a Azshara 4.0, which isn’t that strange since she saw Keal’thas make the exact same mistakes as Azshara, showing they had either forgotten their past or just plainly didn’t learn from it. Elisande showed the exact same thing to her, so why shouldn’t she warn Thalyssra? Because they fought together? Keal’thas fought alongside Tyrande and it didn’t stop him from aligning with the Legion, not even one bit.
She blew nothing. Its the Nightborne that blew up the relationship between them and the Alliance. Because we know that Tyrande has no quals whatsoever with people who prove they have their addiction under control, we have two examples of that, because Tyrande has no hate to the Shen’dralar nor the High Elves.
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Where has Thalissra ever betrayed the Alliance? And how can she go “back to the Alliance” if She or her People never were part of it?
Some Alliance players are weird. They want something (in this case Alliance Nightborne) and consider everything that doesn’t fit “betrayal”.
It is as treacherous as the void elves are viewed. Mainly because they are choosing to fight both their Suramar kin they were separated from 10k years ago by joining the horde, and fighting the alliance who helped them save the city and drive the legion out.
It is only the thing i don’t like about the nightborne currently. I’d have loved the nightborne to be neutral overall, and some choose to join the horde, that way i can roleplay a neutral leaning nightborne. I also think it would have been cool for a good many to turn into kaldorei, that way those on the alliance could roleplay their night elf as nightborne kaldorei - especially if blizzard added some arcane rune barbershop customization for nelves. It could be indicative of darnassian elves getting an arcane empowerment, or character who is playing his night elf as a shal’dorei night elf.
Meanwhile Thalyssra and co remain neutral and her character remains intact
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Thalissra and Nightborne were friends of the Alliance.
Alliance now at war with the Horde. Horde made a strike, and Alliance is in desperate. And in those desperate times Thalissra joins Horde. That is calling - “strike in the back”!
Funny is that before that Thalissra wanted to join Alliance, to betrayed Horde friends. So I see in her action an act of teaching. She is trying to show Alliance that they need her people.
And I don’t see not a single reason why they are in the Horde otherwise.
Yes, probably you will say that Blood Elves are in the Horde, that why… But I will say that Blood Elves are not belong to the Horde too. To the real Horde!
When alliance mains are trying to tell horde players, what the “real horde” should be or look like. Funny.
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It seems that BE & NB have respect to each other. They don’t say this derogatory things to them. They understand them better than any other race. That are their lost cousins. There was never such great friendship with the alliance. They looking upon and think that they becoming this like (even if it’s much bettwr ofc.). And yeah they don’t belong to the real Horde. I mean which noble race would join monsters which already had war with them & also hates them? No, I don’t wanna Blood-/Highelves in the Alliance but this is my opinion.
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We don’t hate each other. Aside from Warcraft 2 nostalgics who are a vocal minority in this Forum, the ingame characters can’t stop telling you, how much their support grown for each other during the past years.
Is their really something like a friendship in the Horde when it comes to Blood Elves & Forsaken? The true Horde have only friendship with true Horde members. Blood Elves are just partners that’s it. In the Alliance you really feel like a part of a family.
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That’s due to the massive disconnection from Kalimdor mainland. Forsaken and Nightborne are much supportive of Sin’dorei. And the Alliance? You have your solid core of Humans, Dwarwes, High Elves and Gnomes ofcourse. But Kaldorei? Tyrande and Maiev don’t seem too fond of the rest of the Alliance after Teldrassil made them homeless. Perhaps Vol’jin would have tried to make a shot at more stability, but Blizzard offed him too soon.
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Do you really think that this is the reason? I don’t think that they really “like” each other. That’s nothing new that everything else is scum for the Blood Elves. And Foreaken c’mon there is no reason to like them.
So you have come seeking our aid?
Drek’Thar coughs.
I… cough I have been alive for a very long time. In that time I have seen and done terrible things.
Things that still keep me awake at nights.
But these terrible things that I have done and the people that I have harmed - I know them… I face them… and I feel remorse for them.
But the Forsaken. cough What do they feel?
They ravage the land and destroy everything that they touch. How many lives have been lost to their vile poisons?
How many innocents have fallen before the Forsaken war machine?
Countless… countless lives… cough
Yes… I have done terrible things, but nothing could ever be as terrible as lending aid to the Forsaken.
You go back to that spineless orc who would not come see me and you tell him that the Frostwolf clan will not aid the Forsaken. Not now, not ever!
BEGONE!
At least we have asylum & gilnean supporters.
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Not Friends, Allies. There’s a huge difference.
The Alliance helped retake Suramar, so did the Horde. But only the leader of Alliance forces talked about the Nightborne being good as cannon fodder to minimize their own casualties.
The Suramar Questing experience is not “help by the Alliance” but “help by Order Hall XY” because Horde and Alliance leadership preferred petty quabbeling because of trust issues (see broken shore or stormheim. And it’s not canonized who helped them.
In addition to this, Thalissra wanted to join the alliance, but was not welcomed by Tyrande (whom she approached because of shared history).
So there is no betrayal, no matter how much you want it. The Nightborne needed Allies, the Alliance shunned them, so they went to the Horde.
And now that there’s war they stay with the Horde, because everything else would be a betrayal.
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That is funny when the main battle happened and Tyrande told the Nightborne to just cover the rear instead of wasting there troops on the frontlines.
I could get behind this is there was more than one little line of dialogue about trust and how Thalyssra won’t become the next evil leader. Funnily enough, trust is earned and not just given out freely.
And that one little line of dialogue from Tyrande shouldn’t have pushed Thalyssra so much as to cut all ties with the Night Elves, High Elves and the Alliance because it is not within her character to be so dramatic or just triggered in general.
Tyrande “Shunned” them, not the Alliance. After all the Alliance did for them (and yes they overall helped the Nightborne the most unlike what other peoples headcanon likes to think) then it is a betrayal. Not just of the Nightborne but of Thalassa’s character as she was built up. Everything she had said and promised to do she has gone back on for no reason nor had a character change to fit it. Much like every other Horde character what follows Sylvanas blindly without questions after what she has just done.
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Ok, if Alliance players opinion does not counts, how about a song of orcs fans BK times:
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Opinions of racists don’t count either.
They did not. The PC’s did it. And we acted as neutral order hall leaders. You are the only one with heacanons here.
Last time I checked it was the Nightfallen and Sin’dorei who covered the bulk force. Guarded by the Kirin Tor at the flanks. The Kaldorei stayed behind to “cover the rear”. So the Nightfallen rebells actually stood right next to the forces Liadrin and Rommath brought along.
Give me a source for a single sentence out of this. A single one! How the hell are you people never tired of inventing fan fiction to justify crap?
Hint: There is no source, because that’s not how it happened!
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Most of the NPCs I saw there during the battling were Kaldorei… Perhaps it depends on the player’s faction?
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It depends on faction colored fairy tales.
I literally have the battle open in front of me, all sides participated equally.
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When I did the Quest about the attack on Suramar starting, it was the Sin’dorei, followed by the Nightfallen who came in at the first wave. COuld possible, that it’s different as Alliance PC.
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Yeah, no, we did the same thing.
In time, the elven army outside Suramar city readied itself for the final assault on Elisande’s defenses. Leading the first wave, Lady Liadrin and her sin’dorei Blood Knights, as well as a force of Nightfallen militia, engaged the Duskwatch vanguard defending the city’s perimeter. The blood elves, aided by their Pyrestar demolishers, gradually cut a path through the Duskwatch, pushing through the Grand Promenade towards the Concourse of Destiny and the City proper. After overcoming waves of Nightorne and several of their arcane constructs, Liadrin’s forces halted to consolidate their position while Tyrande Whisperwind and her mounted sentinels rode on ahead towards Astravar Harbor.
The combined force of night elves and Nightfallen attacked the new lines of Duskwatch defenders, breaking through and pushing onward across the Concourse of Destiny. Along the way, Kirin Tor mages, took up position along the route of advance to hold the ground gained. On approaching Astravar Harbor, Chief Telemancer Oculeth engineered a mass teleportation spell with the aid of Archmage Khadgar transporting a large force of defenders over the edge of the bridge and clearing a path to the harbor.
Having secured a staging point in the upper sections of Astravar Harbor, Kirin Tor and Nightfallen forces began fortifying the position in preparation for an assault on the Nighthold.
https: //wow. gamepedia. com/Nightfallen_rebellion#Resistance
March on Suramar section.
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