So they solved their problems & not saved Suramar alone right? Tirion huh? Who serves Sylvanas now?
Emerald Dream you know? Also it isn’t true because they had wars against the Satyr and Aqir too.
Especially the earthen ring & the circle of Cenarius with Malfurion.
Not the actual Lich King. This honor is taken by the Death Knights.
I just want to say that Liadrin just lie at this point. She just lie…
Can we stay on topic and talk about Nightborne, not have another ‘Nightelves are so cool’ thread?
Why does -everything- seem to have to be about the Night Elves these days?
And Liadrin embellishes the truth? Why can’t a Lore character get things wrong, forget things, or outright mislead people, or even just, y’know, be bitter? Do they all have to have absolute Meta knowledge and state it robotically, when it is not to their advantage to do so?
Everyone? I mean you flat out see them at the Battle of Mount Hyjal in Caverns of Time?
-He-. I mean Anasterian had a pretty massive beard you could lose a cat in. And it isn’t like the Night Elves haven’t had any villains like…ooh, Aszhara? or wait, Fandral Staghelm, or how about Illidan, who was the -reason- Kael’thas went to Outlands and taught him dodgy stuff. But of course, Illidan gets a Redemption story because…No, no, got me there. Legion didn’t need Illidan. Kayn and Altruis would have been enough and stayed Lore correct.
In turn, Tyrande should be reminded that she owes her existence to Dath’remar Sunstrider…Can’t pick and choose…
There isn’t. There are only Night Elf fans getting mad about them joining the Horde despite it making logical sense for them to ally with the Sin’dorei. There is no community beef. There are fans of Night Elves who have a problem with it, and at this stage, some of them risk becoming a parody of themselves.
I suggest a slice of the same. Tyrande owes her life to the Sunstriders, or rather, no, not the Sunstriders, just Dath’remar, the first ruler of Quel’thalas.
No, its called ‘Perspective’. It changes over time. The First exiles from the Kaldorei were actually pretty chill, at getting out from under the rule of the Druids and Priesthood, the next generation, undergoing those new hardships seem to have been very bitter and resentful. Kind of like, gee, real life history (The Pilgrim Fathers and their children say Hi!).
I don’t know what productive will come of trying to talk lore with people, as there is a -very, Very- ingrained Kaldorei victim complex going on these days, but, Y’know, Tyrande was a bit of a douche back then, as was Malfurion, and then he just went for a nap, and the Exiles struggled, died and all the while knew that back home, the thing they had been exiled for, was not being punished. The Exile of Dath’remar and his followers was a prime example of Tyrande jumping the gun and making a snap decision and not thinking like a smart person. She was never a smart person. She was never depicted this way?
Also, Liadrin is kind of right. They -did- hide away, for millennia in fact, until the Orcs arrival in Kalimdor changed things. Liadrin isn’t lying, she’s telling the truth. She was alive at that point. She knows that the Kaldorei had indeed just shut themselves off from everywhere else. Her people had been fighting for millennia.
So really, She’s telling the truth. I mean WC 3 was not exactly a long time ago, and Liadrin’s people had been helping for thousands of years before then, when the people who had actually -caused- the Sundering, had just hidden away.
But anyway, this isn’t about Night Elves, there are many whine threads about that, this is about the Nightborne, who are a different racial and cultural group.
The Night Elves. Wisps called by Malfurion Stormrage could only kill him. They sacrificed also much good stuff for it. Don’t ignore it please!
That shall be a joke that nobody remeber the leader of the Blood Elves because he does kinda nothing in the expansions.
Is she right or does no Night Elf ever leaved Kalimdor before? They where isolated from the others. They knowed nothing from the other lands like the pandaren! She still lied.
Have you played that raid? There are plenty of High Elves, Liadrin’s people, involved…
Then they must be new players, who have joined since MoP, if they had not, and had done the content, they would kind of know who he is…
No, She’s actually right. For Thousands of years, the Kaldorei did literally stick to themselves and not get involved until Archimonde showed up. In fact Liadrin is totally correct. In fact Liadrin is completely honest. Tyrande is not.
Can we get back on topic about the Nightborne and not the NightElves please, we have more than enough topics about those?
Yeah, those high elves later died at Theramore thanks to the mana bomb. Press F to pay respects.
Meh, some of them. I say that OOC, IC Brigante would be furious, his son was one of them, along with his childhood sweetheart.
But yeah, Magic wisps saved the day, again, huh… Amazing how they are only useful when a Deus Ex is needed. You’d have thought they would be a bit more attentive, or I don’t know, frickin’ useful! Does prove a point though. Nightborne are not Night Elves. Ain’t any wisps there…
ah. It’s all perspective, there are a handful of dedicated lore forum peeps that are very opinionated about everything, the views they have were set in stone long time ago, and they won’t budge, so they tend to hash out and rehash their long standing positions.
I won’t be too worried about this. A lot tend not to update their lore, skew their perspective based on their desires, or outright stir up controversy, most players don’t care that much.
In time you will get to know who is who. For e.g. there are a couple of night elf chicks who adore Maiev Shadowsong, therefore they constant post things according to her perspective, there are a few that are blood elf core supporters, and will post according to that. Then ofc the human supremists. Watch out for them too. Amongst others
There are few more rounded, less singular focused posters. You’ll get to identify them too in time, just pay close attention to what they say and what the responses are. And never be swayed by a response just because a few people agree with it. That means jack, always base it on content. then decide for yourself
Tell more, am interested.
What about me (*cough FrozenGrip) <3?
That is the blood elf perspective, remember, in-game characters say things from their perspective, players should know better because they get insights and details usually unknown to the others, and never rule out bias and hatred. Because blood elves hate the darnassian night elves, they aren’t going to be flattering.
The kaldorei perspective is entirely different. And actually the extents they went to in the long vigil, was an incredible sacrifice to protect the world.
The two groups didn’t see eye to eye on the best approach to living in awareness of the legion. For the Long vigil darnassians, the Well of Eternity was the only thing capable of making portals the legion could invade their world, so it was to be guarded at all costs. Furthermore, using arcane magic from the Well of Eternity to cast spells was the only way the demons in the twisting nether could detect Azeroth and find it again.
As such, the tree Nordrassil was grown to mask the energy signature of the power of Azeroth’s well from the twisting nether, so the legion won’t find it, and the long vigil group decided they would sacrifice the use of arcane magic for spells, as such usage would be detected and provide an opening.
If the legion invaded again, the world won’t survive it with the kaldorei empire gone. So this is what they did for 10k years, no time to intermingle with other races, build and do civilization, trade, family life, nor could they use their much loved arcane magic either. Even the gift of the well was treated with horror and love because it provided the possibility for the legion to return - and that meant they couldn’t rest, but would have to watch and guard - hence the long vigil was born.
During that time the druids will aid in the balance of nature and restoration of the devastation caused by guiding the evoloution of the world with the green dragon flight.
They would have to make do without arcane magic, which while amazing and all that, had this world ending risk to it, and besides life could be lived just fine without it, it wasn’t worth the risk.
The long vigil highborne led by Darth’remar, got fed up of this after 3k years, they postulated magic could be used actively and hidden from the legion at the same time, civilziation didn’t have to grind to a halt, both a vigil and moving on could occur.
Knowing arcane addiction was worse in the highborne than the other night elves, this effort was deemed to be borne out of addiction and it was not accepted. The druids felt it woudl be too risky.
Darth’remar and a number of night elves, most of which were highborne disagreed, tried to wrest control and demonstrate, but 3k years out of practive, the storm went out of control, they got exiled, their connection to the Tree severed, adn the innate well connection tampered with. In exile they slowly changed, finding Quel’thalas and beginning a new diuranl chapter as High elves.
AS high elves, they were resolute not to repeat the mistakes of the kaldorei under Azshara leadership, or recklessness and abusive magical use. They wanted a society free to practice all forms of magic, arcane, NATURE, divine, and believed it could be done successfully without drawing the legion.
Creating the Sunwell, they masked the energy output and signature of spell usage using the Ban’dinoriel, and a new way of elven life, of high elven life was born, different from the long vigil tradition and the pre-sundering culture. Integrated, determined - they would build a magical kindgom they believe would surpass the former one of the night elves with their new philosophy.
When human casting started drawing the legion however, the high elves acted, forming the council of Tirisfal, and actively working against the legion. This is what Liadrin is referring too. In the blood elf opinion, it was foolish and superstitious to quit using arcane magic for the reasons the long vigil group did, especially when it could be used without detection. A risk that was worth it. They did not view hiding and banning spell casting as any credible form of defense because they felt it was utterly pointless and silly. This ofc is exacerbated by the deep sorrow and resentment the banishment caused. Afterall, in their opinion, they were only trying to move their people forward, but in the druids’ opinion, it was too risky. As such they viewed the kaldorei from then as cowardly and superstitious, sitting on the kind of power that is the well and doing nothing but make flowers.
So you see, Liadrin is wrong from a the kaldorei point of view, but right from the thalassian point of view. The defense during the Guardian of Tirisfal is conisdered protecting Azeroth, whereas the long vigil groups method of guarding the well and abstaining from arcane magic is not viewed as a great sacrifice and faithful vigil.
Without the prejudiced hatred the thalassians view the long vigil group with, there are some who would view the efforts of the kaldorei as extraordinarily noble, knowing what they were like in the pre-sundering era, to go that long without using arcane magic while being filled with it, to go that long in a constant vigil, successfully preventing even a whiff of the power in Azeroth from being spotted by the Legion.
Remember… even when the humans draw lower level demons, even when Sargeras inhabits a guardian, he can’t find the Well of Eternity or the power… he knows it must be there, but can’t find it. The high elves certainly didn’t let the side down either, the humans did… but they were unaware of the gravity of misusing magic.
A nightborne would know what it means for a night elf to abstain from the arcane, a thalassian 2/3 generations down the line, would have no concept, only retain the scorn and contempt fostered by their forbearers for their kin exiling them.
Young Rachielle and Brigante were always friends, the girl next door, rough and tumble as any of the boys, always played in the gang. He would come home scruffy and covered in mud, his mother would laugh, his father would huff in disapproval “Her Family are Farstriders, you, my boy, are of a Magisterial Family, you will be a Magister of Quel’thalas, there is no higher honour, the Summerisles have always been so”
So it was, for years, until aged nine, young Brigante fled from his lessons, feigning sickness, he already knew what he could not tell father. He could understand the lessons, he understood the theory of Arcane Magic, but his own talent was flickering and low. He knew -how- to cast the spells, but the magic would not come to him. His elder brother, already being groomed as a city guard helped him sneak out of the window at night, so that he and Rachielle could just lie down, hold hands, and look at the stars together. “What do you see?” he said, with childlike innocence. “I see Stars, one day they will guide my path, and in the dark, I will see our enemies, what do -you-see ‘Magister’?”
He screwed up his eyes “I dream of being an eagle some times”.
The next day, after fleeing a lesson, he looked up into the skies and fell in love, for the second time in his life. He saw a flight of Dragonhawk riders soar over Silvermoon.
He fell in love, and knew what he wanted to do.
Hundreds of years later, the childhood sweethearts had become inseperable, lovers, Brigante’s father was furious still with him, and would not allow his name to be spoken at family dinners, but Rachielle and Brigante were happy enough, both Farstriders, she a Ranger Lieutenant, he a young Subaltern, a ‘Warhawk’ in the Dragonhawk riders.
Then the Scourge came…
Brigante’s mother was long dead, some two centuries ago, and his father, he over-exerted himself during the rebuilding of Quel’thalas. Something in his brain had snapped they said, He and Rachielle still had each other, until the time of the Schism.
They had both survived, though Brigante had spent a frantic hour running up and down boats headed to Quel’danas asking where she was. She was wounded, but alive. He simply held her. “I am here” he said. They both had scars.
When the Schism came, they had to make choices. Rachielle chose to go with her family, she could not endorse the new teachings, and headed to Theramore. Brigante was chained by the attitudes of patriotism his father had always instilled in him. He remained, a Dragonhawk rider of Quel’thalas.
They promised to write. Some day this madness would be over, and they could be together again.
Neither of them knew, that Rachielle was carrying his child. Rachielle did not know, she would have told him, it would have swayed his mind, she knew. But out of respect, the son, for it was a boy, was named Durovante, after Brigante’s grandfather, one of the original exiles.
They made a good home in Theramore, with the High Elf community. In time, she sent word via neutral channels, telling Brigante he was a father, and even a drawing of young Durovante.
By this time Brigante was a Flight Lieutenant, and on a fast track promotion scheme. He was delighted to be a father, and longed for the day that this insanity ended and he could meet his son, instead of just seeing pictures.
One day Rachielle woke Durovante, now ten years old, and said “You must grab all of your favourite things, and head to the Docks, Now! Right Now!”
“Where will you be Mama?”
“Here, but I have to be, you have to be at the Docks, Go on, do as I say!”
Durovante, usually a dutiful boy, ran, grabbed his things, and ran to the docks, he was not stupid, he knew the bad people were coming, but as he got to the ships, and saw the last trail of people getting on them, he realised something. He looked at the sky, and dreamed of eagles. He could save Mama. She always said “Dreaming of Eagles” is a good thing, he turned back and ran away from the civilian crowd, back to his mother.
Like the rest…he was naught but azure dust when the bomb fell…
In Quel’thalas, upon hearing of the attack, an elf screamed and screamed and screamed.
With horrible eyes, more akin to a raptor seeing a mouse, he screamed “I See you Hellscream! I Oppose you! I will see you laid low for my son who died without me ever seeing his face!”
That was when Brigante joined the Darkspear Rebellion…
Well, you did ask to hear more…![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
I don’t regret a thing! Riveting read.
And suddenly I am not surprised.
Ah don’t worry Kalibas, I’m no newbie. I’ve been posting on wow forums since 2005, I never make a name for myself though because I always switch post characters depending on what I see as my favourite class at the time…
This week Matthew, I’m going to be a Nightborne mage!
From Wowpedia (Archimonde):
As Archimonde attempted to rip the World Tree from the Well, energies arose as Malfurion raised the [Horn of Cenarius] and called out to the ancestral guardians of the forest. Thousands of wisps rose from the surrounding forests and amassed around Archimonde, detonating in a massive explosion that destroyed the demon lord and incinerated the forests and the World Tree itself. Nature herself would not allow his defilement to occur. While the World Tree would eventually heal itself in time, Archimonde was gone from [Azeroth].
So what do you say now? 
You said it already. It’s Liadrins perspective. But it isn’t the true perspective. You seems kinda biased here don’t you? I mean you say that she is right 
Ermm, the same thing? Have you played the raid?
-Everyone- was involved, Horde, Alliance, Night Elves. I mean it is impossible to miss that fact, the damned raid is purposefully split into those three parts! The Night Elf one is the final segment, but the actual battle was all three forces.
Are you saying that the Night Elves -didn’t- sequester themselves away, avoiding other races, bar the Tauren, for thousands of years?
And yes, it is Liadrin’s perspective. Given her part in ‘Blood of the Highborne’ and when parts of that happen she is likely second generation Exile. Apparently that generation were extremely bitter towards the Kaldorei, unlike the actual Exiles who were chill.
There is no such thing as a ‘True Perspective’ By definition, a perspective is subjective, not objective. Now we, with our omniscient knowledge of quests and lore, can Objectively say “Oh, I know what the Night Elves were doing”. As a player of the game, we know more than any lore character what is happening around the world. Liadrin the character, would only be able to go on what Liadrin knows, and that is that the Night Elves kicked her parents out of their home, then disappeared up their bum until they absolutely had to come out of hiding because Archimonde was attacking their home. Everyone else was generous and went to help save their home.
That’s perspective. -We- know there was much more going on than that, but that is what perspective means. Its a point of view. It might be right, it might be wrong, but it isn’t lying, unless you factually know everything.