No content, no more excuses

Actually it is the perfect argument. Because by unsubing is the only effective way to show the company your dissatisfaction. Do you really think they will come and read forum posts etc.? Only when subscribers dip will we see actual changes.

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Right.

But as I’ve said, it can be a bit more nuanced than that, and therefore the advice falls a bit flat.

I love WoW. I am a huge fan and a massive shill. However, that doesn’t detract from the fact that I consider WoW to be too expensive a product in some regards.
Your solution to my criticism is that I should just quit, but that is obviously terrible advice when I am so fond of the game.
In reality there doesn’t have to be a solution on my part. It’s simply criticism on my part directed at Blizzard and then they can do with that as they wish.

As I said before, then it’s perfectly reasonable to have a nuanced position and not deal in absolutes.

I can love to play WoW and enjoy the game a lot, and at the same time be critical of the price and cost associated with the game.
It’s not an either-or situation where I either zealously stand behind the game 100%, or otherwise I quit completely. There is an in-between where you can like parts of the game and dislike other parts and still play it and pay for it.

It’s a bit weird that such a simple point of view seems a bit lost on you.

Unfortunately I’ve got 4 months left on my 6 :confused:

Thinking about reverting to a 1 month plan though. We’ll see how 9.1 goes. My faith in Blizz is very low right now.

No. Its my solution to the OP. I too think the game has many areas worth flaming but all in all im fine with paying the sub fee or whatever. Whether that continues into the future is up for debate.

Read above.

Probably one of the reasons why there are players paying for game time with gold.

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP.

Wanting lower prices is a fair request and a sound argument.

Put it this way. WoW makes record revenues again and again, so it’s not like Blizzard are only just scraping by.
So why should we as consumers not argue the reasonability of lower prices when Blizzard’s profit margin is clearly through the roof?

It seems reasonable to me.

He still wants to play the game he just wants to play it cheaper or basically he want it for FREE :smiley:

That’s good and all but you’re forgetting something very important - your opinion as players is bs. According to some individuals.

We are already playing for less because they never upped the sub fee despite inflation etc.

Thats what people around here are like… they think you pay £30-70 for a game and then £10 a month to unsub??? How does that work out? The full point of the sub is to pay for content! The current content we have is not even a £30 games worth! Even with the next patch content its still low content for the price… a monthly sub is supposed to drip feed constant content… theres no excuse for this drought. Its 2021 most game development is doen remotely anyway… look at movies even… half the cast dont even meet these days its all done remotely! Game design is the easiest thing in the world to do remotely!

£10 per month these days will get you gamepass full of games… only … defend this game

Weird it is then that their revenues keep going up. :thinking:

Might it be because Blizzard shifts the costs associated with playing WoW from the obligated payments like the monthly subscription and onto other areas like the Online Store and account services and Deluxe Editions and WoW Tokens?

Why yes, I think that might be the reason why.

So even though it doesn’t appear as if WoW gets more expensive, because the subscription is the same as always, then Blizzard are actively and aggressively pushing more consumer costs into the game.

And we spend more money on it.
We don’t get more WoW for those extra money though.
We just get to pay for some of it, just because.

And again, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to question those prices that Blizzard are putting on various parts of the game, be it content or services or access.
It is completely normal as a consumer to be critical of Blizzard asking for more money for more things more often, especially when they’re not giving more in return.

Has no relevance to what i said. You two asks for lower prices. You received it already in the form of not increased subs. Something they can do because they get enough profit.

A sub is required. Everything you mentioned is not. If YOU want to pay for stuff in the shop then thats entirely on you. Also the sub remained the same even long before the shop became a thing and deluxe editions are as old as vanilla and as such based on your example were already considered next to the regular sub price.

Rubbish.
I do not receive lower prices, even when accounting for inflation.
Blizzard have simply shifted the price points associated with WoW from being strictly subscription to being more content and services, like other modern games.
We still pay the subscription though, on top of All the rest we’re presented with.

I know how it is. I am simply critical that it is this way, because I consider it predatory and exploitative. As I said.

Subscription alone? Fine.
Microtransaction and paid services alone? Fine.
Both? Hell No.

I believe majority of players feel that way, but as long as we keep playing(and more importantly paying) nothing will change.

This is my personal stance as well. Not only does WoW have a sub cost, but also every service it provides, no matter how optional it might be, is outrageously overpriced.

For example, I can buy both Guild Wars 2 expansions for 30€ as of right now. A single faction transfer for a single character in WoW costs 30€. And that is on top of the sub fee. If that is not ridiculous, then I do not know what is. Being charged the full price of a triple A game to transfer a single character on top of already paying 13€ a month is incredibly greedy and outrageous in my opinion.

I know these services are purely optional, but it would be in our interest as consumers that they be lowered to a far more reasonable price, because currently the value these services offer in return for the investment is terrible.

Charging both 13€ a month and such high prices for something as basic as character transfers/name change is way over the top in my opinion.

Sub fee without these overpriced micro transactions? Fine.
Micro transactions without the sub fee? Fine, even though the character services should still be cheaper in my opinion.
Both? Overkill.

Just my two cents.

Its how it is.

You pay the same as you did 17years ago. Despite inflation.

Deluxe editions came with Vanilla. Shop can be effectively ignored in its entirety. Etc.

Oh god <.< yeye consider it what you may.

Ye we may talk something performance related is in the shop other than mounts that arent even better / more attractive than ingame ones etc unless one really strikes your fancy. And as long as people buy stuff from the shop then obviously blizzard will continue doing that. People nagging about that wont change a thing.

That was my point from the start anyhow. Not paying is the biggest form of protest whether Jito likes it or not. He may not be at the point where he considers WoW not worth the bucks anymore to justify quitting but the OP of this thread most certainly does.

I know, I just wanted to emphasize that it’s the only real way to drive prices down. Complaining on the forums simply won’t do it, especially since in order to post on the forums you need a sub.

He is right though. There is no justification for the absurdly high prices of simple character services in this game. Mounts and cosmetics are one thing, but the character services are out of line in my opinion.

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Which is why one shouldnt use them. Unless one is “forced” to do so. For example im against the prices of faction and realm changes myself however i did it for my rogue and that one is entirely on me as i could have easily just leveled up a new rogue. Or well i used gold instead of euro but it boils down to the same. As i did for my warrior, warlock, paladin, hunter and mage. My warlock alone has replicas both present on auchindoun and ravencrest.

The character services in the past with their price had at least some reasonable meaning. As to not disturb the realm “economy” (dont know the exact term atm). However given how realms died out anyway and Blizzard is utterly utterly slacking with realm merging this is a valid point to complain for anyone left on dead realms. If i were still on ravencrest and would complain but do it anyway i would just be a fool as the realm in itself would be absolutely fine.

Shop mounts/pets/etc however dont fall into this category however just as you said.

If this game ever goes to free to play it would be kill strike for wow. After that you can watch how more and more stuff would go to game shop including gear, weapons, mounts materials and so on because even no sub that money must come to Blizz somewhere