Defeating it at or around the ilevel intended makes a lot of sense for the reasons Ellipsis gave. It demonstrates some mastery of your class, ability to think and adapt, play consistently and so on.
If you just throw gear at it - while its a valid strat to get a kill - you’re missing the point of the challenge. It’s about the journey, not just the destination. It’s perhaps a poor comparison but if someone runs a marathon you don’t just tell them “lol you could have driven in a car”
typical you with low effort bad comparisons. The grey eminence of the forums dropped in to leave their enlightened thoughts out of a dirty shoe.
if you wanna do a marathon analogy it’s like him doing marathon in slippers with no practice compared to a seasoned runner in running shoes. Sure Cliff Young did the ultramarathon in galloshes with no practice once but it’s so extraordinary people still talk about it 40+ years later.
Unless you are implying that better gear (or shoes) are suddenly undermining the idea of doing the feat? OR that 10 extra ilvl is somehow, well, “cheating”? You think I’m cheating because I have more gems and ilvl? Because if getting 10 ilvl more to defeat zekvir ?? is comparable to beating marathon in a car then you compare 10 ilvl to botting.
But no worries, it’s just you being you. Looking for attention.
But hey, I never expect much thought from you or anything else than disagreeing and throwing stuff in the fan. Again and again you prove you have nothing useful or interesting to add except satisfying your need to troll, being petty and trying to act smart hoping nobody notices you had nothing to say.
People play for different reasons.
While I am onboard for the fight being tuned at a specific setup/difficulty, not everyone wants this. But this is going to be a never-ending discussion because there’s rewards behind doing it, so obviously people are going to attempt this and not get passed it.
This is indeed true, though I would like to add one more thing. Learning a new skillset in order to tackle a challenge like this might be, to some, rewarding but it’s also just useful. We’ve already seen the reward for the boss which replaces Zekvir in season 2, and while I sincerely hope that whoever designed that fight learned a lot from the implementation of Zekvir “?” and “??” It’s still very likely going to reward players for thinking about the game the same way and using the skills they learned doing Zekvir.
Planning CDs / exercising some discipline in ability usage, thinking about positioning, assigning buttons to mechanics, thinking ahead about what the boss is going to do. It’s all stuff that, up until the concept of delve end bosses, solo players didn’t really have the opportunity to learn or use. Now it seems those skills are relevant, it doesn’t hurt to think about them…
The problem I have with this, is that it doesn’t serve anything.
Sure, I can respec into slayer, spend 30 minutes getting used to the rotation and skill changes, beat the crap out of zekvir and then swap back to my mountain thane build to never touch slayer again.
Did I learn to play Slayer? probably enough to kill zekvir
Will I ever use it again? probably not.
Was it worth the hassle and frustration of not playing my own spec? not really.
I don’t necessarily mean things specific to a talent build or spec, moreso transferrable skills based on the content itself. Concepts I guess would be the better word.
We’re all in agreement zekvir’s implementation / design is flawed, and I hope that whatever replaces it will be designed better. It’s still going to tap into those concepts though.
Even that I find questionable.
Looking at the Zekvir fight specifically, I can’t even see anything that would translate to some of the raid encounters I am doing.
If anything, the Zekvir fight is more the opposite on how I tank in raids and dungeons.
Equally some will try something different and love it. At the end of MoP during the WoD pre-patch you could get the “of the Black Harvest” title and green fire for a limited time. Back then I didn’t have a warlock, so I levelled one, and learnt it enough to beat Ebonlocke. Since then I’ve put countless hours into my lock.
I’ve loved mage tower and Zek’vir. I hope they do more of it (just right first time).
For me it’s the thought process of isolating what is in the fight that actually matters and focusing on optimising for that, as well as understanding how and when to use abilities in response to mechanics instead of just on cd or on a whim.
As a tank you’re in somewhat of a unique position with the fight I admit because the positioning aspects are largely things DPS have to think about at least in the context of survival in raids / dungeons. The fight’s not well designed for tanks I think we can all agree. Most of the skillset it focuses on is only really relevant to DPS.
Well you’re in luck. We have a new fight coming in 11.1 to replace Zekvir. The Underking.
Oh absolutely!
I hope they do a lot more of this kind of content.
The game really needs more solo-content.
But under two conditions for me personally:
I get that.
I need to do the same in the raids as well.
Princess was a great example where I had to reflect on my CD usage as protection warrior on heroic, because she utterly destroyed me.
With some reflection and help from the guild, we found a rotation that worked, and now she’s on farm for us in heroic.
The difference here is that this reflection definitely helped on other fights as well to get passed them. Sands, with the same approach we took on worm boss and got him down to 10% on the first attempt in heroic mode, so it paid off.
For Zekvir, I just don’t see it.
I can tweak my build, adjust my strategy and approach, only for RNG to tell me: “nope, you’re not getting it”
Yeah it’s less about “This specific plan / setup is useful elsewhere” it’s more about getting players used to the concept of planning at all.
I’ve seen hunters talk to eachother about having to break the habit of pressing disengage just because it’s there, I’ve seen Ret paladins have eureka moments when they realise they can hold wake of ashes for every egg. I’ve seen warlocks and moonkins realise their egg DPS is more consistent when they hold instant casts for when they need to move during an egg, even if it’d have been more theoretical DPS to use them when they were able to stand still.
Little things like that which people who don’t do other challenging content don’t ever really have to think about. You as a raider are already somewhat wired to think like that.
I’m going to speak against myself here…
but it’s a videogame…planning shouldn’t be required in the first place…
Not to the extended needed to get through this fight…
zekvir ?? is only hard until you actually manage your talents and make is dot a meme 
i like blizzard : D
they make you thinking about talents 
huuuge win ion hazzikostas : D
you made soo many peoples cry 
Did you not have to plan your mitigation to tank Kyveza effectively?
For tanks specifically I’d agree. The fight is poorly designed / tuned from role to role. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with solo content pushing players to think a little more about how and when they use their spells.
shush, I said I was speaking against myself 
No, I agree with the concept that pushing someone in the solo content to at least understand the class and mechanics is a good thing.
Could be as simple as simply requiring you to use some more niche abilities of your class, or certain combinations of spells you’d normally use a lot less or never.
To put it simple, Zekvir takes that concept and pushed it too hard for certain specs.
Agree to an extent. Tanks definitely, maybe not DPS. We’ll see what The Underking has in store for us.
We’re also starting next patch a bit higher on the ilvl curve relative to this first one, given it was an expansion release.
Where did I say that? Where did I even imply that? Seriously, get over yourself, you’re so mad when you see me you lose the ability to read.
I personally like the challenge of doing it at a “lower” ilevel. It teaches me a bit about my class and how to get the most out of it. You prefer to overgear it, I said its an equally valid approach, after all the point is to kill the boss.
I’ve tried pretty hard not to engage with you because it never goes anywhere productive, I’d appreciate if you’d put the tinfoil away and reciprocate.
: right about here?
I’m only “mad” if you wanna use that lingo - that more people aren’t calling out your BS. For reasons I can’t understand they suck up to you and “fear” you because you fused yourself with this website at this point. And you manage to write dumber and dumber posts every time and there will be still a bunch of people like “ohhh dejarous so smart ohhhhh”. Friggin sheep.
Like I said, it wasn’t a perfect analogy. There was room to see it in a few ways. Keento for example took it how was intended. You somehow once again managed to lose your mind over it.