Tauren and Trolls would love to get as much attention as the night elves got since Legion.
Erevien is back ladies and gentlemen!
BTW well back
Tonight playing some Plunderstorm. Lets see how long it takes until I reach all mogs.
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i did it in 8 days. Not playin a lot.
I did it in two playing a lot.
Demon hunters, yeah, they are not a new species, their direct origin is nelfs and no, that arcane magic gimmick is for the nb elves. Think of it as the druid effect. While other races can be druids, the original, the basis is still the nelf druid. So you can have nelf arcane mages but the origin is still nelf. Seems to me it bother you the nelfs don’t own every other gimmick out there and that’s just dumb.
And no, it’s not limiting their factor, maybe in your mind. They are nelfs. Their culture is based on a relationship with the natural environment around them but it does not mean they aren’t flexible. They can focus on other things outside their gimmick. You taking this all or nothing attitude, where unless the nelfs must own every gimmick or they cannot deviate from it, is again, just dumb. A failure of imagination.
What you seem to want is to take away from the other races and jam everything into nelfs and that’s, for the 3rd time, dumb.
Fully unlikely.
Sin’dorei and Void Elves cover anything the Shen’dralar and Moonguard bring to Quel’Thalas.
Sin’dorei bring powerful Arcane Mages, Fel users and battle mages.
Void Elves bring Void powers and knowledge.
Illidari already played their role in Dragonflight for Night Elves.
Midnight should be the return of the Illidari Horde-based side (Sin’dorei Illidari like Kayn Sunfury and Allari the Souleater.)
In the same capacity of offering small quests here and there…maybe, a questline where Felblood Elf features are finally unlocked for Blood Elves. A Demon Hunter questline, but is open to Night Elves and Blood Elves.
Druids, yes - because Night Elves are the only Druidic Elves.
Highborne/Moonguard - nope. Not a chance, unless it’s Eldre’Thalas reclaiming and it’s fighting off Azshara before she goes to Quel’Thalas to destroy the Sunwell.
They bring nothing that Void Elves and High Elves don’t already have, as far as the Alliance is concerned.
The main focus for Midnight will be on the Thalassian Elves. With bits for the Shalassians and Darnassians. I personally hope it’s more Thalassians and Naga myself, because I loved the dynamic between Sin’dorei and Naga in W3 and I’d like to see the two against each other in a meaningful way…not what we got in Nazjatar where it was a brief Farstriders vs Naga Magi.
Going back to Illidari - for Midnight, that should be Horde/Blood Elf leaning, 100%. That is an expansion that is delving into Thalassian lore, in all forms.
I don’t disagree, it’s nice that everyone would get regular attention - though poor or underwhelming attention is sometimes even worse than attention - so should they count themselves lucky?, part of my issue and the problems with night elves in-game are a result of their presentation being poor
I don’t understand. The lore has given night elves predominance in 4 classes and those are the main ones tied to them - those are the only ones I’m on about. The mage - they invented, the druid and demon hunter they invented and the priest. They are also powerful hunters although their ranger skills have not been stressed much in the lore… it’s their prowess as mages, druids, demon hunters and priests that have had emphasis.
I don’t know what you are talking about by saying I want night elves to own every single gimmick… I’m after the game properly portraying what the lore and the novels have shown/written about them.
The game just seems to lump them in one category - I see much nature druids - I see almost 0 of the priest there, little of the mage and demon hunter (but it’s there), and almost everything is about the druid… this is not good, it’s poor - the novels and wc3 is no where that imbalanced.
- it isn’t the only thing off course, night elves as weak
- night elves as damsels in distress
- night elves as whipping boys
- Night elves uncivilised and poor or non-existent as greatly competent in other areas outside the druids - this is problematic.
They are not showing the other side of the night elves:
- Night elves as dangerous and threatening.
- Night elves as masters of their craft that have been at it for 10-15k years - did you know only the druid and demon hunter they’ve been at for 10k years, but the priest, the mage and the hunter - they’ve been doing for near 15k years? Why do they come off as so bad in all of these, including the druids - when have you seen a druid look powerful in wow or dangerous (Thaon Mooncaller is the only one I noticed).
- what about the civilization side of the Night elves? Why have we only seen the forest settlements? Ruins , ruins , ruins and one pristine city, Suramar, shown briefly for 2 patches of an expansion - other than that, it is Dire Maul, Darnassus, Nar’thalas and Zin’Azshari - all ruins - and substantial ruins - there are smaller ruins we had quests in , like Beth’al’aran, Mathystra, Ameth’aran, Odil’aran and, Zoram on Kalimdor, and a couple of smaller sites in Legion like Meredil, Tel’anor - Suramar is the only place we’ve seen night elves live proper in their civilization, and Darnassus - but we never quested in Darnassus like we did in Suramar, - Suramar showed the legion invasion period culture and lifestyle, Darnassus, is just a quest deposit.
We just can’t see night elves in game like we see them in the books, diverse, and rich, cool, and fitting their description of being a titanic race. Even if you think that’s overpowered, the in-game portrayal is far worse, I do not expect the people who are immortal, and such great expects with arcane, nature and fel magic, as well as millennia with the bow and glaive to be so terribly poor compared to others,
And I don’t expect their presentation to be so inadequate… for every back water rural serene glade with druids, I should see temples and cities, if not whole then at least on the way - showing off these other sides to them.
Why not? We ddin’t see much of the Farstriders in Suramar’s reclaiming, not really their terrain, hence the comment form Liandrin about Tyrande’s senitnels - (where she assumed wrongly they were mostly rangers).
Likewise I do not expect to see huntresses and druids in Quel’thalas, much, but burn me, those have never been the only type of night elves. The place should be packed by a powerful force of Highborne, Moonguard, Moon Priestesses, Illidari and Balance druids. And an armoured contingent of warrior sentinels.
for a change it would be nice to see the full spectrum of the kaldorei arrive and wielding in power.
if the blood elves could be a part of the night elf expansion helping decisively with the night elf sub race, why can’t the night elves be a part of the Blood elf expansion helping powerfully with the blood elf sub race (which are the void elves
Well it was Huntresses and Druids in Quel’Thalas originally, during the spying operation…
Not important to the inner Quel’Thalas narrative and unlike Suramar, all areas associated with the Thalassian Elves are covered by Sin’dorei, Quel’dorei and Velfs.
Illidari should be directed towards the Blood Elven ones, because this is about their homeland. We already saw an Illidari Demon Hunter quest in Dragonflight (with only Night Elves) and the same should happen in Midnight, but for Blood Elves.
Like Dragonflight, both Night Elf and Blood Elf Demon Hunters can do the Illidari Blood Elf questline, but it is Sin’dorei led.
Why single out Blood Elves, when races like the Draenei and Humans were also playing massive roles in the Night Elf expansion?
It was obvious that the Blood Elves would be involved; hell, two of the artefacts revolve around Blood Elf lore - one of those being for the Magisters and the other being with the Farstriders.
At the end of the day, this is the Thalassian Elf Expansion. Obviously, the Shalassians will be involved because Silvermoon and Suramar are joined by marriage…but Darnassian Elves…it’s really hard to put them in, unless it’s Druid stuff…which could happen because a Night Elf Druid is already in the EPL (Rayne of the Cenarion Circle) so, she could lead the Kaldorei effort in Quel’Thalas, along with Quel’dorei Magisters of the Silver Covenant and Ren’dorei Rangers.
But, I hope the Naga and Blood Elves have a much bigger conflict. I think those two races can have some awesome tensions between them because they both descend from the Elite Zin-Azshari Highborne. Make Lestheria Vashj return in Naga form…Lestheria vs Liadrin
We actually did. It was Farstrider Blood Elves who were guarding Liadrin and Rommath’s tent directly. They were Elite Sunreaver Rangers.
The Sin’dorei Mages were empowering the Arcane Defence Crystals and heading into Suramar with the Blood Knights. (The Horde opposite to the Kaldorei Sentinel and Quel’dorei Mage)
The Sin’dorei Blood Knights were, as mentioned, charging into Suramar.
No it’s not true. First of all, the nefls that were the greatest mages became the Belfs after they got banished and the nelf culture decided to focus on a more religions and druidic way of life. Second of all, the demon hunters aren’t a nelf thing, the original demon hunter might have been a nelf but the demon hunter, as it stands, is an elf thing. Third, the priest class is not specifically tied to something, nelf priests are different from human priests, they don’t even have the same patron.
And what you say is ridiculous. The nelfs hold some of the most powerful characters in this game and many of them for that matter since they have been pushed in the spotlight so much. So maybe if you took your head out the nelf’s bum, you’d see that the other races have so much less portrayal when it comes to even their basic identity.
But go ahead, do your sad nelf crying routine, it’s brought you guys so much joy.
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Nelf Priests gain popularity because female night elf priests look awesome…I can’t deny as my main in Cata Classic is going to be a female night elf priest.
Being ignored since pretty much forever? And the moment Baine moved one of his friends died? Yeah I agree the Tauren and normal Trolls had it very rough.
The Draenei got their very own patch on Argus same as night elves at Amidrassil. So it is only fair that the blood elves, after being force to share Quel’danas with the Draenei too, finally get standalone time in the spotlight for once.
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Not true at all. Eredar (so by extension Draenei) were masters of arcane arts renowned throughout the scattered worlds of the Great Dark Beyond long before the Night elves reached their peak potential.
And I’m not even counting Norgannon, or Malygos and his flight. Arcane and arcane magic wielders have existed long before the emergence of the Night elves.
Well, sin’dorei were not important to Suramar, but they showed up in 7.1 and were made to be important.
They weren’t NEEDED to be, they were made to be.
No one needs to be important, none of this is important, even wow itself, the devs can and should make night elves important to it I feel.
Your attacking Blood Elves for being involved in the Legion expansion, yet Tauren, Draenei and Humans were also ALL involved as well.
Night Elves should be sitting the entire World Soul Saga out.
Let Sin’dorei, Shal’dorei, Velfs and Quel’dorei have something instead. They’ve been taking the limelight off the other Elves for almost a decade.
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They were more important than nelfs for sure.
No, they didn’t, what is the mage class, are all elven designation… the eredar may have an equivalent, but it’s not the same.
On Azeroth, it is the elves that learned the discipline of using the arcane to a level that would constitute a professional and the designation.
They did the exact same thing with nature magic. no, they didn’t invent nature or arcane, these have always been there, and many races, including trolls, earthern and others have used these energies, but the development and study of these to the high level that can be consolidated into an actual field of study and practice, that is called Mage, and Druid, came from the elves. the Night elves… and though them all other elven groups from them.
While the human mage, the mage classis based upon is not based on its night elven version, what it is, by lore is a derivative of the original night elven one. ultimately it is production of the high elven one, which is a derivative of it’s original night elven one.