Boom, loss of a boatload of subscribers.
well if epics as some say would be harder to get and only for lets say top raider, end heroic and mythic for example, I can se how that would pan out, and it would be ugly realy ugly, specialy if the change comes now.
people would demand full epic gears for a normal raid, or close to it, meening even more people would be left out, heck raider io is already making it realy hard for even good players to get in to runs.
also those super toxic players who happen to be quite good would be getting an even bigger epeen boost, and making dungeons runs even whit them a realy bad experience.
as long as people act like spoiled brats, becuse they happen to have something that others do not, I say no to making better gear for endgame, becuse it would just become super nasty to do anything.
I already saw this in TBC where people who did 25 man raids, started to look down on anyone not doing so and that trend did just escelate in to Wrath whit gearscore, and continued ever since, just the name of what people are looking it has changed over the years.
so going back now to harder content give way better loot is not something I would like to se now anymore.
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I already dislike that PvP has this. Putting MORE bad stuff in the game is only going to make it exponentially worse.
Yes thankfully it is.
Depends on the cosmetic reward I suppose. If itâs something I love, yeah Iâm going to be very disappointed Iâd never get a chance to get it. If I donât care for the cosmetic, then no I personally wonât care, but thereâs always going to be someone who would be disappointed (very likely).
So? When the content is current, youâll still stand out. Who cares that in 1 or 2 expansions time those mogs will be seen on others too. It seems the jealousy Bukachu keeps talking about resides with the mythic raiders.
You like a certain content. Gratz!
Doesnât entitle you to anything special. You get to do the content you enjoy, relish in that. The things you already get; letâs call them âtimed exclusiveâ mogs. Titles. Far better mount drop rate. Achievements. Etc.
Should be enough. Asking for more is just entitled and greedy, really.
My only negative feeling is that unless I do Jaina heroic for the ahead of the curve achievement, all my progress will be wiped out and reset in 8.2. I suppose Iâll get a head start in the new raid.
And I do enjoy playing just for the sake of playing and switching off, but that RPG feeling of progress and the rewarding feeling it gives is dampened by the constant gear resets every patch.
I think weâve spoken about the pros and cons of a âprogression ladderâ vs âcatchup mechanicsâ a lot over the years and realise we wonât all agree on this.
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technicaly the gear reset has alway been there just it didnt show up as much as it doesn now.
classic wow, whit every new raid that came out better gear came out, par due to how hard it was to gear up people didnt realice it at all.
TBC, pretty much same, due to some raids only being 25 man many didn´t realice that gear did become better and better all the time.
wrath, this is where it start to become a reality, starting raid gear was obsolete for ICC already, and due to having 10 man and 25 man raids the gap became even bigger, like going in whit 10 man trial gear to icc 25 man was hard realy hard, comapared to anyone doing 25 man.
cata, well here it became even more obivous that doing 25 man gave you way bigger advantage than those doing only 10 man, but still due to raids being both 10 and 25 it didnt still show up to much.
mop, start was still same here, but once Flex came and we had flex and heroic the difference was huge already, way bigger than it ever was, but not as much still due to it being last raid only.
wod, ok big time, every raid you changed your gear faster and faster, reason was due to how raids worked, you did normal, and you gotten stronger gear all the time, same as it is now.
legion and bfa, the trend is still there, you get better gear from new raid.
you se it has always been there, just due to how raids work now, and the accibility to raids, has done it so it shows more now than ever.
I do not se this as a bad thing, it actualy is nice, that after a while you have better gear to have better chance to kill those last bosses, and not struggle on some easy boss due to your gear not being uppgraded at all.
I mean, it being bad is your opinion 
I donât really know why mythic raiders would be jealous. Of course I canât speak for all of them, but personally I donât really know why I would be jealous if someone has the same transmog as me a few years down the line.
I like time exclusive rewards even if it means I donât get them. I remember having this awesome feeling in Vanilla when I saw someone in Ironforge on an epic mount in tier 1-2 or whatever. That never really happens anymore, but I still think itâs cool when I see someone run around wit Rhokâdelar or Anathema/Benediction.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, as I donât think we will ever see eye to eye on this Thereâs just too many opinions and perspectives, like the mage tower which was either hated or loved as far as I remember.
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I understand the history, and vanilla/tbc had a gear ladder rather than catchup mechanics which meant all the content and raids were current all the way through the expansion. I was a raid leader in classic and our guild was progressing through Molten Core and Blackwing Lair even when AQ was out; we knew we needed to do those steps to get the gear to even attempt AQ. With TBC you could sidestep some via ZA and Karazhan.
The current system, which agreed has been in play since WotLK days, is that as soon as a new raid comes out the old raids, of the current expansion (!), become pointless, which means there is less âcurrent contentâ. E.g. there is no reason to do Uldir now as you can get higher ilevel drops from world quests and even timewalking dungeons.
I donât know why Blizzard ups the rewards for all content, such as WQs, TW and Mythic dungeons, but leaves previous raids like Uldir at low ilevel. Can the playerbase no longer cope with having two raid tiers simultaneously active?
It lessens the amount of content available, by making interesting raids in the current expansion unrewarding, and the progress you make individually is cheapened and reset in a few weeks.
All they dev time spent on a raid like Uldir, and if you enter the expansion less than a year after it launched itâs already classified as âold contentâ. Ridiculous in my opinion.
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because none would want to go to uldir again, if they upped the item level and difficulty as they would have to do, it would not work.
back in tbc if there had not been any attunements to be done, none who already had cleared the eye or killed lady vasjh, would not have gone back in to them eighter, and instead worked on black temple or sunwell, the only reason people whent back was to attune new players if they so had to, and lots of people realy hated it, one reason I call TBC the guild killer era due to how much guild hopping and how easy it was for a guild to dispand if they lost one or two key players.
That just puts more elitism into the game.
In my opinion nothing ground breaking would happen if there would be more limited time rewards like mounts for achieving the curve in the raids. There are enough of players which do heroic raiding so it wouldnât be that those rewards would be locked to only a minority of the mythic raiders, and its nice when the players get rewarded for the effort put into the more challenging content in the game which requires some dedication and coordination of the large groups of players in the genre like an MMO is.
PvP-ers are constantly getting exclusive items, there should be more ones for PvE to.
Not really fair. Mythic sets look special, while arena are just warfront recoulours.
It is still locking it behind something. Even the mount from CE should be available the same way the Mecha mount is on different bosses in different difficulties.
Well yeah, so letâs just agree to disagree. But you did ask why it would be okay, and that was my answer. Opinion and all.
Why else have time exclusive stuff linked to mythic raiding?
Link it to something more of the playerbase could see/do (like the mage tower did - Iâm fine with that kind of time exclusive, even though I didnât think the actual tower content was any fun).
I do too, if thereâs a chance to get them. With mythic raiding thatâs not going to be possible for the majority of the playerbase.
I have it. Itâs ugly so I donât use it.
I could have gotten sort of an updated version in the Mage Tower in Legion, but that meant leveling up my MM artifact weapon and such and I really couldnât be bothered to do that; I chose not to pursue that time exclusive mog (I did get the ugly BM one though). With Mythic raiding, thereâs no choice.
To be fair Mage was never intellectually challenging to begin with, all three specs.
Kinda funny.
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Thank you!
Shaman class mount says hey .
Thats harrasement and you know better.
Maybe once stop believeing your own hype i like you but recently you are becoming that up yourself douche again .
not only pvp but then again from all the time ive seen you on my friends list ive never seen you do any PVP so no idea why you are barking about that.
far to many of those making yourself look a young niave poster and sorry to say a cretin.
Iam sorry for having a go at you we been friends a long time now but my word your actions on the forums recently you should be ashamed your better than this wake up .
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he said if gameâd have limited rewards that he wont get even tho HE PAYS!!! heâd unsubscribe. I said game already has that type of stuff so he may as well unsubscribe. cant see me harassing anyone, and im not banned yet so ill take that
again, he thinks heâs paying money to get ALL the content in the game, clearly not understanding what heâs paying the money for.
ye I havent done any PvP almost, after ghostcrawler straight up butchered PvP and forced me and a lot of other people to quit.
stop copying me LOL
My actions are well in line and very fine. I said itâd be nice if game could have more time limited and/or high end rewards. and then jealous people started what they do best - WOOF WOOF.
actions cause reactions - law of physics.
and they got my reaction, happened last time too, and will happen in the future as well most likely, knowing what kind of things play the game.
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Why are you comparing MMO game to buying a car? You are deluded and you think you deserve everything game has to offer. No you dont. You pay for the access and high quality service. Mythic mounts should be limited and removed after tier is done, same for transmogs. Immortal argument âI AM SURE EVERYONE WOULD UNSUBâ you dont know that babe so keep clearing lfr and gl with farming BoD transmog next expansion.
@Serisa
wow you saw who that guy really is. gj
The wider player base just wonât put up with rewards for the 1% anymore. If anything Mythic raiders are the entitled ones, thinking that just because there is a higher difficulty that everything should be locked behind it just for their 1% of the player base.
The other 99% would disagree with you.
I am and largely I do get almost all content for my money. What you are looking for is increased time limited rewards for 1% of the player base. Most players will not stand for that anymore.
If anything they should be removing mythic raiding from the game entirely, there are too many resources dedicated to it that could be better used elsewhere to create content for retaining the wider player base.
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