There is no use talking to him. He argues just to argue without having a point.
Before the WotLK announcement most people will just have expected that Blizzard will bring the RDF at some point in WotLK Classic and nobody posted on the forums about it and nobody made polls for Blizzard to exclude the RDF.
Plus those polls have been posted in most reddits and discords related to Classic. Itās delusional to say there is a majority, that direct doesnāt want the RDF and just didnāt know about the polls.
No matter how many arguments you make he will just keep making up nonsense to question your arguments.
Well not that its long term, but https://youtu.be/wS1juqaiW3o?t=1807 and a bit forwards is where they talk about design pillars (well not by the same name and not as clearly but still) and then Ion says āDungeon finder, or group finder. OFC we are not going to have dungeon finder in wow classicā that could ether be taken as Classic vanilla or as for the entire line of wow classic. Not that its entirely clear but it can be seen both ways.
Thats how polls work. They are not intended to be answered by everyone, but its information representative enough to be relevant when it comes to community opinions. On the other hand, the fact still remains, that there is no indication that a big number of players wants the change either. If its unclear, why should the change be made?
Oh, so now whatever they say has to be underlined with ālong termā or else people will assume whatever they feel like apart from what was promised/said?
Whatever they said then is more than the nothing they have said pro-your argument of a promise - Right?
Layering, Mailsystem, Loot-Trading, Arena Ratings, Dungeon Limits, Same-faction BGs (Lootboxes to the minority faction), Phases, Dynamic Respawns, Nerfs/Buffs, Summoning in to Dungeons/to Nether Storm all beg the differ.
They were introduced ahead of its time, removed or without having been there before. Blizzard havent ever set anything in stone and kept to it, LFD is no different.
And obviously the closer we come to Retail, the more things there is for them to consider as we come closer to the time people started to talk about a Classic overall.
Last example was a boat. I indeed drive between messages on the forums, risking the life of everybodyā¦ J/K =))
No, but you and many other seemed to have boarded the bus not know what the destination is. People just hoped and prayed for Classic TBC, WOTLK etc, expansions that were never promised from the get go!
Now you are saying that they should do this and that, because it doesnt match your expectations. The expectation you buildt out of thinn air and which was never promised by Blizzard when you stepped on the bus given the information you had at that time.
I get that some people are disappointed, because this didnt match their expectations (like many of the things I listed). But expectations and promises are two different things, and nothing was promised.
Edit: Ill add that my expectations was not having LFD around, which I could only hope for. The difference in our expectations, in what āClassicā is supposed to be and why, makes it hard for us to reach a consensus on this. Just like people had a hard time to define Classic back in the day.
So the only pseudo-creative thing to do is to claim that everybody wants it, or doesnt want it, and pretend like it matters what the majority want.
You are here just to put your opinion in mode āRDF ruined the gameā, while we explain the things, the real things based on the present, not on the past, not blinded because RDF hurt feeling, not based on āin my memoriesā because everything based on it was a fail when you read the old post in 2019 before Classic
I remember in 2019 on the forum :
There is no rush on Classic
Classic is for old Vanilla players
Retail players will leave the game after 1 month
Retail players will leave the game after lvl 30
Retail players will leave after 3 months
Classic is ultra social
Classic is a chill game
There is no min max on Classic
People will stop to play for you and help you
An example :
Iām not going to do yet another topic to tell you that WoW Classic is awesome, that youāre going to live on love and fresh water by the side of a campfire while slowly climbing to your 60 and that youāll be projected 15 years backward. I donāt need to convince you of that.
On the other hand, I would like to invite you to several things surely already proposed here and there.
Share.
Swap. barter
Help
Discuss
Take your time
Make friends
Learn / Do Rp (if you like that. come to Auberdine in this case).
Put your interests after those of the players around you when possible.
Good dream good dream.
And after that players cried :
I donāt remember that on Vanilla"
It wasnāt like that on Vanilla" āClassic is not Vanillaā
Some players stole my Ore while iām already mining",
Players like to stole and tag mobs while you are already casting"
The game is too easy i donāt remember that"
Some players, guild and even faction control the DIABLOSAURE LEATHER"
Layering Blizzard this is not Classic !"
10k players on a server Blizzard itās not Classic"
The community disappoints me"
Tonight Iām answering an ad, Iām being grouped, Iām kicked instantaneously before I even had time to write good evening because there is already a war."
3 days ago we are 5 at the level of the respawn of a mob that we all need to validate a quest, I naturally propose to group, nobody answers everyone prefers to play the 20% chance of obtaining the mob that the 100%ā¦"
An hour ago I saved a guy about to die with 3 mobs after him I took back his aggro in extremis, he sat down and watched me kill his mobs without helping or even a thank you."
5 minutes ago I ask a mage with for some bread that I also saved from certain death, no thanks and he royally ignores me."
I ask for help to kill an elite mob in order to validate my oh how difficult quest of war lvl 30, nobody answers I give up after 30 min to take me wind on wind and I come to pay 1po a guy for that"
Iām jaded by these antisocial behaviors, itās not my way of playing I like to get involved, say hello to people I meet in a zepelin, help those in need, chat with a stranger that I donāt have could not save, help another for a quest not too far, answer questions asked on the /1, give advice, do wild pvp, use emotes etc etc."
And i can continue with a longue list.
Well, i think i can stop now there is enough example.
Yeah yeah the real Classic experience, i believe it.
Lol thatās not how polls work though is it. 4299 votes in favor of RDF out of 6945 total votes (thatās not even counting the 576 votes that said yes but later, do that and itās 4875 in favor). Thatās 62% (or 70% with yes but later) in favor.
And every poll has about that very outcome.
Or maybe you debunk all the election polls too made every election just because everyone hasnāt answered?
You just need to let it go. That or give us some actual proof that weāre wrong here.
Trying to find groups at the moment is a nightmare. I often just stop playing and go do something else because itās so depressing being told I canāt join, ignored or even verbally abused.
With RFD I can play the game while I wait, I am very happy to wait forever for a group to pop. I just cant take the rejection anymore of /4. Without RFD I will probably just grow tired of the game and turn to my steam library.
Back in the day I collected all the badge heirlooms by doing RFD heroics. The thought of doing that without dungeon finder makes me feel sick.
We donāt want flying alts from day one either, yet weāll have it.
Thereās actually a whole slew of issues, that I alt least do not want in Wrath Classic from launch. Is this stopping Blizz? Nope.
They give us all changes from 3.3.5 just not RDF. Man I donāt like this!
Aside from the completionist element, the lack of people at lower levels is a product of how players consume games now, boom and bust. Big early days, then a falloff. Previously, wow grew steadily for 5 years.
The solution isnāt RDF - itās to give new players a shared levelling server (or equivalent solution) so they can run around a world filled with other players of their level and experience the game.
Pouring them from a major city directly into a dungeon is a bad, bad, bad solution that is a terrible experience and is the sole driver for the remaining friends I have who havenāt played wow getting into it once they realise they are stuck by themselves, unable to enjoy the game, while people like yourself with full heirlooms tear through all the content and they may as well not even be there.
The vocal minority are the ones, that try to invalidate the polls with a theory they made and canāt really prove.
Those polls where posted on all the discords, reddits and boards, that are also frequented by people, that donāt like the RDF. And the sample sizes are also big enough to be representative.
You just fight the polls, because you donāt like the outcome.
The poll was released when Blizzard announced their intend to remove RDF from wotlk and polls on the website are available for a limited time.
Anyone who feels strongly one way or another will bother to vote. The only people who will vote much less are those who dont care. If it wouldnt work this way, no poll ever would hold any value.
Some do, some dont. We dont get to decide for others though. Blizzard should respect the players that do. They really should make some servers with and some without. Someone please make a poll so we can vote on this and clear up this issue once and for all.
They are bringing achievements with Wotlkā¦like they did all those years agoā¦but now you cant get to a lot of the dungeons to do themā¦how do we do stockades as horde etc?
I learnt to heal as druid in rdfā¦got the patient title for doing so many. Wotlk was the best time iv ever had in a game. I wouldnt mind if it stays wraith for years and never goes to cataā¦though i loved the changes to class that came with it.
I want it back, but understand those that dont. This doesnt have to turn ugly though. We are adults now. Times have changed. The last few years have been tryingā¦but at least we still have games to enjoy. This game is what WE make it. Like that dude said in the Gooniesā¦its our time.
Lets enjoy this as long as we can. Whatever happens i look forward to seeing all of you in game. Cheers to you champion.
Yay letās have fun. Can you briefly explain what are the social aspects you are having on tbc when you going into dungeons and also vanilla if you played?
Are you asking me? I dont have any social aspects in dungeonsā¦go inā¦do what we need and leave. I hardly talk to anyone in game only friends or maybe in guild
Well You can go to the US forums and check some topics there. Overhelming majority is not anti-rdf.
Ofc its not definitive data set, but as with any data, it gives some hints.
And if I hear āsocial aspectā one more time i think I will puke. Nitpicking bastards, dont want social spects in pvp, they want to queue from anywhere for BG, but PvE players must sufferā¦tfu.