Noob MW in dire need of help

Hello and G’day my fellow Weavers. Like the title suggests I’m in somewhat of a position where i would love some external feedback or rather experience from you guys.
I’m enjoying the heck out of MW but ever since i got a little bit of gear and I mainly try to do the +11 keys, i find myself quite often in very difficult situations.
I feel like my main issue is to swap quick enough between applying RM and the TP/BoK/RsK dmg rotation. Not even to mention the panic moments whenever the entire Party drops low.

So, besides the obvious skill-difficulties, that hopefully get better over time, my question to you guys is: Do you use any Addons to make life easier for you?

I pretty much only use the classic “party as raidframes” with just littlewigs to help out in dungeons. I’ve heard about Vuhdo tho, is that something i should consider and if so, can i set it up for both healing and dps as MW at the same time?

Sorry if my question seems dumb and if you dont feel like answering it, dont bother. Hope you guys enjoy your time online and a belated happy 2023.

I use weakauras and vuhdo mainly. Nothing fancy, the raidframe should show hot durations and weakauras your main cooldowns, ancient teachings and chiji. The idea is being able to look constantly at your character and not tunnel vision on your party frame.

Your goal is to maintain renewing mist on all 5 people when there’s even a tiny chance that you’ll need to do group healing. With faeline stomp BoK has a high chance to reset RsK even without stacking teachings, so basically you’ll want to use RsK whenever you can, then use BoK and if it doesn’t get a reset use some filler like ReM, insta vivify, stomp etc. then BoK again. This is less mana efficient but it should allow you heal unexpected group damage.
If you don’t have enough ReM out and RsK is on CD or you’re not in melee, you can cast some envelopings to trigger rapid diffusion, but only if mana isn’t an issue.

For predictable group damage you’ll want to use chi ji. If you can cleave 3 targets you don’t need enveloping, just use essence font -BK-TP-BK-TP-RSK-BK-TP… . For single target you’ll need enveloping.

Stomp+ spinning crane kick is always tempting, but keep in mind it’s heal is distributed on 3 targets so it might not save 1-2 people taking heavy damage.

Absolutely! I make myself some custom WAs to bring up highlights when RM, instant vivify, or triple Chi-Ji stacks are available. I tend to just press the associated buttons on cooldown, so having a bright reminder that they are available is helpful.

I have more subtle trackers for RSK, EF and TFT, and the current stacks of Ancient Teachings, since these buttons and data are a mainstay of mistweaver execution.

While I have tried other people’s WA’s and UI setups, I usually find that most end up just being a replacement for the button bars. If you’re going to show everything as a rectangular block, then you’ve shown nothing.

My advice is learn a bit about creating simple WAs to track and highlight buffs and cooldowns so you can put just the things you personally need to know about in the places you tend to point your eyes. It isn’t that hard and once you have one buff/stack tracker, and one cooldown tracker, you’re mostly just copy pasting them around and changing the associated spell names.


As generic advice; once you have some sort of reminder for ReM, don’t worry too much about targeting a player to cast it on, especially in M+. As long as there is at least one person without it who is injured, the active ReMs will shuffle around and find the player who needs them. Not worth spending too much brainpower and attention on picking the lowest health target, imo, especially since they often already have ReM due to how it jumps around.

For the panic moments… I’m still working on this myself! There are many as MW because our overall output isn’t particularly high right now. We got some buffs literally this morning, and we’ll see where we are soon.

Especially in fortified week, don’t underestimate the power of the 1-minute celestial talent. 12 seconds doesn’t sound a lot, but it actually is, and with 1 minute CD it’s up nearly every pack and often 2-3x on bosses.

Ideal Chi-Ji deployment is something like:

  1. have ReM on cooldown ahead of time (hopefully on 4-5 of the party)
  2. have Essence Font/Faeline hots on everyone (it double procs your mastery)
  3. have a triple stack of Ancient Teachings ready (this is why you want to track it)
  4. now start Chi-Ji
  5. Blackout kick
  6. You now have 3 stacks of Chi-Ji’s buff. Env Mist on the tank; they and everyone in melee now has Enveloping Breath and it is major.

Assuming you kept your ReM and EF ticking (this is generally good play anyway) and were using AT stacks effectively, this is 3 GCDs, less than 4 seconds with haste, and you have a massive hot out on most of the party.

Sometimes this is all you need; if not, then either kick the boss a couple of times and repeat for more Enveloping Breath, or if it’s a nasty trash pack, drop Faeline and Spinning Crane Kick. SCK + Faeline + Chi Ji vs 3+ targets does a surprising amount of healing and will very quickly build stacks for more Env Mists/Breaths.

And as a word for the future; 10.0.5 brings a very significant (100%) Revival buff for M+, so in about 2-3 weeks that should become a genuinely useful panic button as well. Always try to have EF/Faeline buffs on the party first for that mastery proc before hitting Revival - it does a lot.

Personal 2p… Vuhdo is a pain. It’s setup UI is cumbersome, it’s handling of different group sizes is bothersome, and it doesn’t come preconfigured for anything so you’ll either have to manually add every spell or go and find someone else’s configs to import. It also doesn’t really have a concept of “this is where I always want my frames” and every character ends up owning its own unique layout, even though most people just want “show buffs and debuffs better than Blizz UI”.

I am just not a fan of it, nor of how unconfigured buffs and hots (e.g. with my prevoker, double stacked enveloping breath from echo) are simply not displayed at all. I don’t really know why it’s so popular, because I think so much more could be done with a raidframe that just works out of the box and has default behaviours for unknown buffs/debuffs that isn’t “don’t show them”.

I used to use ElvUI but drifted away from that because it’s terrible for showing things I can’t dispel - even though I might need to know about them, such as heavy bleeds that need focus healing.

Right now I’m oscillating between Blizz default and Vuhdo. A case can be made for either, but neither is ideal and I suspect that it doesn’t really make much difference.

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