Hello
I leveled up a rogue and I want to do some arenas, just to have fun. What spec you consider is the easiest to start ???
I have no experience and obviously no gear 
Thank you
outlaw is probably the easiest as it doesnât require stealth and just need to warrior smash the pve rotation and press glowing buttons
Easily Outlaw. Amazing pve damage, defensives every single go so you never die, longer reach so you always hit something, mobility in case something ever kites you, and one of the very best CC kit in the game at the moment, easy to use and in abundance.
Outlaw isnât easy, outside doing dmg Ă difference between a noob outlaw and somebody that cc perfectly (especially with vanish leg) is night and day.
From my experience as healer this season I found playing with assa the easiest cause you win with 1 button instead of outlaw doing dmg but nothing else kr leaving gap and the fact ms is terribly useless you canât kill anything before big damp by pure dmg only.
any rogue spec with nade season 3
Assa.
Outlaw is just as hard as Sub, maybe harder as there is a LOT to keep track of.
Do you mean nf assa because of sepsis?
This is why people with literally 0 exp give bad advice.
Outlaw is easy (and easier in that case) because it is overloaded with the best tools in every category. Thatâs it. You donât have to be good to perform, even if an insane Outlaw player will do better. It is a spec that currently prevents you from messing up because it systematically always has a spell to turn the situation to your advantage.
Also there is barely anything to keep track of. Slice and Dice and RtB, the second one being pressed on CD by many people and it doesnât even matter. BtE isnât even something you need to keep track of anymore because thanks to Kyrian + the set bonus you literally have 100% uptime on it.
It is just like Arms in S1 S2. Yes it had, and has many buttons or at least more than other specs, but it is what made it so easy. There will always be a button to cover your mistakes as Outlaw currently. Always.
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I think heâs trolling tho.
At your rating you will have the most fun and easiest games if you go vendetta sepsis build on assa.
I would even say with mark legendary.
This is not true I played with some outlaw this season and 100% if you play bad you canât kill anything.
Sure if you are lucky on proc itâs annoying cause you got a lot of uptime on evasion but if you mess up dr and blade fury 100% and break every breakable cc (what I see the most) there is no way you cna climb.
I see some outlaw swapping assa cause it wasnât working and the same guy was able to delete people after that.
Always been of the opinion that assassa is the easiest rogue spec. Outlaw may currently be easier because of how overloaded it is, but on a fundamental level, assassa can be successful as a rot spec if youâre unfamiliar with cross CC and setups.
I am glad that one person seems to be able to understand.
Currently Outlaw is much easier because it is more powerful without effort.
Your opinion vs mine I guess. Outlaw has more answers in every single situation, which is a fact, not an opinion btw, and so, easier. Especially since your argument there makes no sense because played bad enough no spec actually kills anything. A terrible player with 0 knowledge will not kill as Outlaw and will not kill as Assa. But as Outlaw at least he passively gets more options to survive, so he may actually end up killing (damp and all that, enemy mistakes on longer games etc).
We arenât talking about bit time high ladder climb. A new guy with no experience asks whatâs the easiest now. And now it is Outlaw to begin Rogue, because you canât die. He wonât have to setup 20s CC chains on 1.5 to win the game. He just has to stay alive and do good damage. Outlaw is the easiest in that department. Your damage cannot be stopped (while Assa & Sub can with well-timed CC), and you cannot die, or at least much less so that the other specs. And while you have insane CC it isnât mandatory to win games until actually duelist at least, just because the spec pumps so much without ever dying. And so, easy.
And yet the ladder suggests that this patch people have swapped from Assa to Outlaw a million times more than the other way around. Why ? Because Outlaw right now is both better and easier (sadly blizzard has made it a habit to tie those two together it seems).
Maybe you donât like it because you play Outlaw on 4 different Rogues without having great success and an easy time, but you having those struggles if that is the case while every Rogue, Warrior and Monk in the game has rerolled to Outlaw and hit Duelist or Elite when they could never before points to the fact that I am correct and you are not.
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Like karanze said if you mess up cc itâs pointless to play outlaw, sure you do very good dmg but got close to nothing with it cause ms is useless and people can just trade CD easily into it.
Assa especially for a beginner is a noob stomper spec at low cr, people run in press every CD and the other press either nothing or too late and does compare to outlaw that need uptime and setup to kill.
For the top ladder ofc they rather play outlaw than assa cause people pay attention about CD and you canât cheese anymore but again most of the time people play sub rmx on ladder anyway.
It has nothing to do with my rating, I just play in lfg canât expect much there but if you want to bash me then I donât care.
He literally never said that.
And for having played Outlaw myself successfully for several seasons, as well as facing many Outlaw players on high rating, Iâll say it again, this patch, currently, now, Outlaw is the most easy spec because it has insane damage, never dies AND has CC on top that you can even afford to mess up because you donât die anyway.
I donât answer this to bash anyone, but to exain why Outlaw is extremely easy and overperforming right now. The fact that 4 different classes all rerolled to Outlaw, that double Outlaw is viable and that Outlaw + any dps + healer is viable is a good enough indicator, and since you keep saying âno no noâ without actual arguments I can only assume that you have a personal issue with this take (so I bring the point up), else youâd see the obvious like literally everyone else who faces an Outlaw Rogue every two games when they play PvP in Shadowlands Season 3.
Karanze said ââon a fundamental level, assassa can be successful as a rot spec if youâre unfamiliar with cross CC and setups.ââ
like I said cause itâs pointless to play a setup comp if you mess up your cc you canât kill anything. (same goes for jungle/thug/rps etcâŠ).
Doing dmg randomly and expecting to win in dampening, which is hard to do at low cr cause your mate will burn mana really fast and you will mostly lose cause of it, is really weird to read especially coming from you and your exp.
But I guess we play a different game, me being in lfg and you with your team / high rated player is définitely night and day.
I guess the op can try both and come here to say with which spec he found it the easiest to climb but Iâve never seen an outlaw being good except at like 1k9, every other rogue is assa cheese build or sub playing with cheese dps or holy.
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Id expect the easiest if youve never played rogue to be nf assa, otherwise tbh hardest thing with outlaw is lfg healers messing up all the cc. Outlaw/ holy seems insane to me tbh. Sub/holy seemed pretty trivial fundamentally but the burst may be confusing I guess. If someone had some xp in pvp I can see outlaw being easy especially with kyrian holy priest.
Did you miss the first part of the sentence by any chance ?
There it is. Read it slowly. Now read it again. And breathe.
Imagime thinking that Outlaw is a setup comp spec. It can be played in literally everything right now because it is so easy and broken. Melee cleaves, even. The only thing it canât do is caster cleave for obvious reasons.
Is Outlaw 2x a setup comp ? No. Is Outlaw DK a setup comp ? Outlaw Fury ? Outlaw Demo ? No, no, no.
Yet they work and are extremely easy. Tunnel one target, Blind healer on CD. The COMPLEXITY !
Ah so your team will oom to damage in 2mins but the enemy team canât? Insane argument.
They maybe you should reevaluate your beliefs, if you see me say all thay and give value to me and my exp. Right ?
Just so you know, I play via LFG for several weeks every single season, thatâs usually how I get to Elite everytime, before playing with friends because they PvE early on, and then later on when people I know cannot or will not play I use LFG to play. I am well aware of how LFG is. Ultimately you find people you belong with. I climbed very high with people from LFG because both of us were good, which is why we both had rating and ended up playing together in the first place. People on low rating are there because they arenât good enough to climb, period. Nothing that canât be improved once they stop finding excuses. Yeah they have LFG teammates, one of those teammates could very well be the better player of the team, and the enemy team is also often a LFG team, so the fight is even anyways. So up to a point, the best team wins, LFG or not. The âbut lfgâ excuse has been used and worn out, but the reality of things is that while LFG makes the process harder, if you are the one who plays better in the arena match your team gets a little bit of rating until your skill level can no longer carry vs who you face, so you get a new group on that rating that you now have and repeat the process. And so you climb, IF you are the good player.
Very much off topic but the constant excuse of âyeah dude you donât know the LFG struggles that I have to carry on my back every day and in my nightmares every nightâ kind of has to stop at one point. It is called delusion. Yes people know LFG, and no it isnât as hellish as that.
Iâll try outlaw, it sounds stupid, but cannot find the kyrian soulbinds, all info is for venthyr, any guide you can recommend ???
I see the talents in the armory but not the soulbinds
Cheers
Mikanikos is the way to go.