next week we can transform our s3 items into raid tier. barely anyone is playing normal and heroic raids this week. everyone just spam m+15+++ and transform their sh!t great vault into raid tier with the catalyst. im done with 9.2. good bye.
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sheâs not wrong.
Ever since M+ gear was comparable to heroic gear, the reason to raid has gone down.
Its annoying. I dont mind the M+ system, i dont like the timer so i barely participate in it. I dont really care for doing the same dungeons for two years in a row for the same gear.
However, they are crushing raids
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another reason to split m+ and raiding
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But, how?
Gear should be gear. Keep it simple.
PVP gear with a PVP stat for PVP and Pve gear without a PVP stat for pve.
You CAN PVE in PVP gear it just wont be as effective, and vice versa
Yes, you can get powerfull trinkets from PVE content that would and should work in PVP and the other way round.
However, raids have always been the most challening content, that shouldnt change, atleast not completely.
I wonder what the best way is to fix it.
However splitting them, wont work.
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Not everyone has time to do organised raiding multiple times each week. Theyâre now catering for people to get gear any way they choose, which I think is a great idea.
A lot of people who play the game have been around a long time and canât dedicate the huge hours they used to put in any more.
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What do you mean HOW?
Let the raid gear be good in raid
m+ gear in m+ simple as that
you can even create a separate progresion
so basically someone who only likes to log in for m+ all day should not be pushed into raiding for the as you said OP trinkets or other itmes
and vice versa
itâs the simple thing you can do to let RAIDERS raidlog like in WOD because they like to do it
and let people who likes to play m+ play m+ without being punished for not CLEARING last mythic boss for the BEST weapon in gameâŠ
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To be honest, I lost all interest in running instances and raid when they introduced the mythic keys, just donât personally like the idea of having time targets.
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You are missing a point.
You Level,
You go Dungeons (Mythic 0 these days )to get gear for normal raids.
You go normal raids for heroic raids.
You go heroic raids for Mythic raids.
having a third gear systen is way to confusing.
and lets not forget mythic SHOULD HAVE the best gear in the game, gear you simply cannot obtain if you dont raid mythic. And thats perfectly fine, you dont need to have everything.
Mythic+ gear should be good enough to go, say +15. But after that, you should need to heroic raid, its just part of the PVE experience.
You cant push +20 keys if you dont raid and thats fine,
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Well, the problem isnât the M+ gear, but that raids as a game mode suck⊠take too long, need too many ppl, loot is too sparse and to actually get a clean, clear ID it takes at least two locked evenings in a set groupâŠ
The devs should rethink raids. Let the normal/hc/myth raids have wings with different entries (IDs) like LFR wings⊠that way ppl are easier to find for a shorter amount of time. Add a currency + vendor in addition to loot drops, to prevent certain wings from lacking certain roles (because of boss locked loot). Iâm convinced if raids would work like this theyâd be way more popular.
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Kind of stupid to be doing that at this point⊠you do lfr/normal/hc to get tier and you do M+.
Yes you do 4-8 M+ at 15 to get max ilvl gear for next week.
But, that should have been done from the first week! Not feeding the pig before X-mass.
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That should come as little surprise.
Raids require bigger groups which by extension means more organisation and set schedules.
With M+ you have more freedom when you want to do keys, you can set yourself to a schedule, and you only need 4 others to do a key which, unlike raids, last for 40 minutes at most unless you really go over time.
M+ giving such gear wouldnât be an issue in itself. The reason why it is however is because Blizzard put a lot of emphasis on loot, and placed it as the main reason for people to do content. In raids you collectively gear the entire group (in organised guilds), which does not fit the pug template too well, since the chance of getting gear in a pug raid is miniscule unless gear is being traded to you.
Having said that I am not sure how they can make raids more attractive compared to M+ gearing. I wouldnât like to have two different gear sets, because then I cannot help my friends out when they are missing a 5th player (I primarily raid, so I would have totally garbage gear for M+). They really need to change the way raids work for pugs for this situation to change.
I think Blizzard isnât going to change too much on it. It helps people overgear raids, allowing more people to get curve.
They increased raid difficulty while decreasing loot rewards from them. So players moved to easier/more reliable content.
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Weâve spent a lot longer in Normal because of tier than we should have, Iâll be glad when we get to move to Heroic full time and then weâll be able to move into Mythic.
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Funny fact is people that donât raid cries for a Tier set so blizzard gave them a system to create gear to a Tier set so basicly those people ruined the raiding because why would I raid if I can do m+ and turn it in a Tier set of ilvl 278?
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Actually im spamming keys because i wanna pug the raid and i donât think i can get into any heroic groups with 255 ilvl except if i make it myself 
And i dont want to lead it
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So basically you canât form an argument without exaggerating, cool.
THEN DONâT RAID! It shouldnât be done because of prestige, it should be done because YOU ENJOY IT. If I can âtake it awayâ from you by crafting a tier item then you never really liked raiding. You did it because you felt compelled.
Well, newsflash, pal. Game is supposed to be fun, not a job. Wake up, thereâs an entire beautiful and interesting world outside of WoW. Maybe entertain the thought of doing things for fun every now and then, eh?
Nobody is âruiningâ anything for you, you sweet little gatekeeper.
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No one is doing this
People actualy going into M+'s if they intended to do boring non-sense normal and heroic raids.
Including M+'s that approach season achievement
What is your point by trying to force people raiding? Do you have any small idea what is player base % whoâs mythic raiding?
Why? How is your boring, non-sense raids part of M+?
Actually it is not fine for majority of the player base and will lead more and more players quit the game. What about reverse the things likewise ââYou should time M+20âs or YOU SHOULD HAVE GLADIATOR GEAR if you want to enough gear for boring, non-sense mythic raids.ââ Did you like it?
And can you pls explain to me, what is the point to force PvP players to raid???
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Just becouse you have best gear in raid doesntmean you are forced to that raid. You sre not entilted to get those rewards.
Nobady plays to have fun. Fun is only something what is supostu be part of procress while reaching your goals. So stop using this nonsense that peope should do what they find fun becouse nobady including you plays this way.