I think these two abilities feel horrid combined. On one hand one has to spam Ironfur excessively off the GCD to not be ragecapped, and on the other hand, one has to press frenzied regeneration in a way, where we don’t overheal. Additionally it feels sometimes like it goes off delayed, and I also find myself sitting on many Procs at once on Guardian druid. How do you feel about it? I play many tanks, and Guardian felt the most spammy so far.
Please just go on dk forums and complain there that blood dk is too damn OP. Bear is in quite a good shape now, from a tankiness perspective, unlike prot pally. 80 rage cost with 14 seconds cd and 8 sec duration on Ironfur is the last thing we want
Hey, I’m really not talking about how strong the class is, as I also don’t really care. I’m just saying I find the gameplay not well designed for Guardian Druids, because I often sit on procs, it’s extremely spammy, and frenzied regen feels sometimes like it’s delayed. There are also a LOT of semi-offensive cooldowns for this spec.
Prot Pally is already scheduled to receive a rework, so no reason to put this complaint in the druid forum. I also don’t even ask for a rework, I only ask to make Iron Fur and Frenzied Regen feel more fluid in the gameplay.
I think Guardian plays really smooth and easy compared to other tanks tbh.
The only time I feel really “spammy” is during big pulls with incarn up. Besides that, it’s not that big of a deal and rather chill, I think.
Are you playing EC or DotC?
With EC, the procc of moonfire can, more or less, be ignored in multi-target fights, because a new procc automatically casts the old procc on a target if there is more than 1 target available.
Regarding FR - I wouldn’t think of FR as a “Oh darn, I need a heal NOW” button but rather see it as a button you press when you know heavy damage is about to go off soon, so the heal is already running when the damage happens.
I also wouldn’t just see it as a self-heal but as CD, that helps your healer healing you (+20% heal received), with a heal on top of it.
Regarding the overhealing - with the talent “Innate Resolve” you’re encouraged to use FR when you’re a bit on the lower end of the HP anyways, so overhealing shouldn’t be that much of an issue in that case.
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Little tip that might help a bit with the spammyness of Ironfur, as it is off the GCD, you can just macro it in other abilities. Depending on your personal rage needs you can add it to more or less abilities. It’ll save you some fingerpain and help with the overcapping rage issue.
Wait, what? Are you implying that when you get a free moonfire proc from galactic guardian, that next time the free moonfire procs, it will consume the galactic guardian buff and thus be a 300% buffed free moonfire? Because that’s how it used to be, but they changed that mechanic halfway through DF, “forcing” you to actively cast moonfire to get the buffed galactic guardian proc. Otherwise you just wasted a proc. Unless they reverted that change at some point and I missed it? Still, you wanna press those arcane buttons to reduce your cooldown on Lunar Beam, as Elune’s Chosen. (Unless you took the talent that gives flat 3% arcane dmg, but not sure if anyone ever does.)
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Useful tip but top players still don’t 100% recommend this because it might get you into a bad habit because this could theoretically lead you into a situation where you don’t have the rage for a FR when you need it.
Kinda, I’ve picked that up in a guide from Method. Explanation below.
Yesn’t. It seems to be a new interaction caused by “Twin Moonfire”.
To quote the entire statement from Method:
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Galactic Guardian: Note that with changes to this talent in Dragonflight. procs of this ability while you already have a proc ready to use it will refresh the duration but not consume the previous proc, causing it to go to waste. This means that to get the additional damage and rage generation in single target situations you will need to use these procs as opposed to waiting until the end of the duration, following the priority list above.
There is however an interesting interaction with the Twin Moonfire talent, where the additional moonfire created by this talent when you get a new Galactic Guardian proc will actually consume any existing Galactic Guardian proc, allowing you to gain the extra damage and rage generation without needing to actually press Moonfire. Note that this only works if there are at least 2 targets within range.
Thus the “minium of 2 targets available”.
Yes, you’ll have enough downtime between Mangle and Thrash to press Moonfires anyways, regardless of having a procc or not since Moonfire as EC basically makes Swipe a button you won’t ever press unless you’re gathering mobs and need AoE while Thrash is on CD.
However during Incarn, you won’t have enough downtime to press Moonfire at all because Mangle and Thrash have such a low CD. You basically just spam Mangle and Thrash while you spam IF with an occasional FR.
In that scenario it’s nice to know that your moonfire proccs won’t go to waste.
Hey, thanks for that information! I was not aware of the twin moonfire thing. Feels like an oversight on Blizzard’s part, but I’ll take it as long as I can. Will save me some globals in the future again.
And yes, I am aware that macro’ing Iron Fur isn’t the most professional way to play because of possible rage issues, but for a large part of people it’ll suffice in the content they run to alleviate some frustrations with the ability. But you are correct to add that for real high end content it is not advisable.
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Might be an oversight but on the other hand it - the removal of it would be a pretty huge nerf to the DPS of EC Guardian during Incarn. You basically onlye have enough Globals for Thrash and Mangle. If you also had to press Moonfire, you’d waste globals and you’d probably never bother to press monfire because Mangle and Thrash do more dmg/generate more rage.
Yes, 100% correct. I just usually don’t like to condition players to these sub-optimal habits because they might need to get out of that habit at some point and breaking habits is harder than just learning it the correct way from the get-go.
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