Why is it a bad think that raid would be relevant for longer than one full patch? Why it everything has to be “reset” after each patch? Why can’t in same expansions each raid be at least relevant a bit longer?
And that’s completely fine, i just feel like getting completely rid of a raid tier makes whatever you have accomplished meaningless
What you replied to was quoted from @Throwmatic…
If you feel that what Retail has become has no bearing on the game that was released 16+ years ago, but that the re-released Classic version IS, why come back to Retail? I fully maintain that time invested in a game is a wimps’ nostalgia of an excuse to not quit… & if you don’t accept that any change a game can go through isn’t always gonna be to your liking, then your expectations are always likely to be shattered.
… and you HONESTLY think that someone who hits L60 on the day - what is that flippin’ Raid called, in 9.1? - is released should be perfectly prepared to walk into (at least) Normal & be able to get through w/o dying ONCE? You’re in the wrong game.
OR… are you saying that’s exactly how the game DOES feel to you…? 'cos it doesn’t to me…
What that says to me is that the game is WAAAY too easy for you.
In classic I played with a not maxed character, just healing myself and wanding mobs to death, no danger of dying, just taking a long time to kill anything. Such fun.
Another classic vs retail thread. Go ahead, make my day.
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My point is that basically you don’t need 226 ilvl gear to even complete weekly 226 vault but
Well at least it gives you a reason to get better gear as you want to kill things faster. In retail unless you going for last 2 mythic bosses for what you even need gear? Really for nothing. So it feels such worthless to gear up when everything is anyways going to get reset in next patch.
It doesn’t get much faster. You’ll still be wanding no matter the gear you have, because it costs too much to bring water.
No matter how small the difference is there is still the feeling of difference. In retail everything is faceroll in open world with really bad gear so you don’t really need better gear. In retail with better gear you might be able to do mythic +25 when previously you were only able to do +24 but no one cares and why should you care? It just feels completely worthless.
Not really. You level up and then you have to replace the gear again to continue killing at the same speed. It only changes significantly when you start getting gear from end-game, at which point there’s not really much to do in the world.
I disagree. In classic you constantly feel the progression as the mobs at certain level become easier as you level up and get better gear. In retail with weird scaling you might be top of the dungeon dps at really low level and just get worse and worse until max level. In fact in retail gear doesn’t matter at all until you are max level.
No, you just start not getting any exp from them.
??? you still become more powerful against them so I’m not understand at all what you are trying to say. In retail everything scales in such way it feels like if you are not getting enough gear upgrades you are becoming less powerful than more powerful (at leveling before reaching max level).
No, not really. I can unequip all the gear on my priest and my smite’s will still be as powerful as with gear on, or as weak if you will.
No. You misunderstood my point. In order to stay in leveling dungeons as powerful as before when you level up you need to keep getting ilvl upgrades. If you don’t there is extremely high change that way lower level character does way more dmg in dungeon than you just because of the scaling. It just how how it works in retail wow
No, I didn’t. You’re claiming that gear makes you stronger.
Here’s an assortment of smite’s with and without gear, try to guess which one’s are with and without gear:
Elahra’s Smite hits Hare for 8 Holy.(168 Overkill)
Elahra has slain Elder Mottled Boar!
Elahra’s Smite hits Elder Mottled Boar for 156 Holy.(25 Overkill)
Elahra has slain Elder Mottled Boar!
Elahra’s Smite hits Elder Mottled Boar for 156 Holy.(20 Overkill)
Elahra has slain Hare!
Elahra’s Smite hits Hare for 8 Holy.(164 Overkill)
Elahra has slain Venomtail Scorpid!
Elahra’s Smite hits Venomtail Scorpid for 176 Holy.(7 Overkill)
Elahra’s Smite hits Elder Mottled Boar for 174 Holy.
Elahra has slain Elder Mottled Boar!
Elahra’s Smite hits Elder Mottled Boar for 2 Holy.(178 Overkill)
Elahra has slain Elder Mottled Boar!
Elahra’s Smite hits Elder Mottled Boar for 156 Holy.(30 Overkill)
Hint: The gear makes no difference to my smite’s damage. At all. Because you don’t get spell power from intellect in classic.
No. I claiming that in retail gear DOESN’T make you any stronger till max level. Gear is basically worthless till you are max level and at max level most of the content is anyways faceroll so you don’t get the feeling that you want better gear. In classic solo content is way harder so you want better gear and you get feeling of accomplishment after getting better gear in classic as it changes gameplay.
Yes.
Even for healing it makes no difference:
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 49 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(14 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Elahra gains 0 Health from Elahra’s Renew.(63 Overhealed)
Different gear equipped, no gear equipped and full gear equipped. No difference at all.
Now you are just basically ignoring completely my point and trolling.
No, you just don’t understand how classic works. Replacing gear on a caster/healer makes no difference until end game where the gear has +dmg/+healing, because your damage doesn’t go up at all from new gear, unless it’s a wand with more damage than your last wand. All that intellect does is increase your mana pool, you don’t get stronger from it.