Nzoth and Jailer

Hello.

Iam little bit curious, do you think that Nzoth knew about Jailer plans ? Or do you think that he knew about Jailer existence ?

Shouldnt be now Voidlords worry bout Jailer plans ? Isnt their existence also in danger according to Jailer plan ?

These questions go in my head.

Yes.

The Void basically pursues every possible future, because it sees them all as true – even the ones that are not.

So it would also see this future.

And I think with regards to N’zoth, then this is still part of his plan. I mean, he tested us in the Crucible of Storms and made us his champions. But what did he test us for? What is it N’zoth wants us to do on his behalf that we aren’t aware of?

Afterward he beckoned us to Ny’alotha and we killed him…or did we? Technically we’ve simply stored his essence inside Xal’atath – the blade which he himself made sure to provide.

So we appear as pawns in a game, but we don’t know what game.

Is it related to The Jailer? Probably. The Void is the enemy of Death. The Three Sisters comic has a panel where Alleria’s whispers literally scream at her to murder Sylvanas – that she is dangerous.

My own theory is that N’zoth wants to bring about The Hour of Twilight and The Jailer presents the opportunity to do so.

So far the Old Gods haven’t really been successful at bringing about their prophesized Hour of Twilight. We beat Deathwing up real good, right?

But if The Jailer comes to threaten Azeroth, then who is going to stop him?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And so we may end up ushering in The Hour of Twilight and unleash the Old Gods on Azeroth, if only to have an ally that can fight The Jailer.

And so we end up being the champions of N’zoth and ushering him and his Old God pals into Azeroth and fighting on their side against The Jailer.

That’s my speculated theory at least. Not sure how plausible it is, but I like it! :grin:

I do think it’s certain to say that N’zoth’s story plot is not done. Blizzard deliberately made a cinematic to show that he gets stabbed with Xal’atath – which is a blade that can store someone’s essence.
So all that story is not finished.

But yeah, like Battle for Azeroth, then I also think this expansion is an Old God expansion. But we’ll see. Blizzard does like to pull that Old God rabbit out of the hat as their final trick though. :yum:

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And how do u think would sargeras act if he was still free ? Would it be jailer versus old gods versus sargeras ?

I don’t think Blizzard are going to invoke The Titan Pantheon or Sargeras in this storyline.

Technically all the Titans and Sargeras (and Illidan!) would see both The Jailer and the Old Gods as enemies and fight them to preserve Order.

But I don’t think Blizzard are going for a story plot that ends up in a giant brawl between various cosmic forces. It loses some focus then.

I think Blizzard are keeping the Titans until later, at which point Sargeras will ultimately have reflected upon the fact that he has been fooled by the Nathrezim and that his crusade has been one big lie.
There’s some character development in store for him. Maybe we’ll see him return to his old self. He was known to be just and the noblest of all the Titans.
And maybe the same character development is in store for Illidan. He was born with amber eyes and X’era did say his destiny was The Light. Maybe that’s foreshadowing and Blizzard are saving the duo for a Light-focused expansion where they make a comeback as “enlightened” (pun intended)?

But yeah, I think the Titan Pantheon and Sargeras are sitting this one out for now. :yum:

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During the Uu’nat fight he says:

I alone can save you from what is to come.

So, likely. In Korthia, one of items to find is the Old God Specimen Jar which might mean the Void in general might be very well aware of all the stuff happening in the Shadowlands.

Why would they? It’s more likely that the Jailer will just open more possibilities to them, than be an actual problem.

Alleria did “hear” that the entity that Sylvanas served (lol) was seeking the end of all possibilities. But it also might be just a way to convince her to act in certain way via “looks like truth” whispers.

On the other hand, we now have Argus being a work of dreadlords, because how else does one develop a villain character, so the Jailer might suddenly be a threat to the Void, even though from the perspective of the other lore sources that would be ridiculous.

According to the plan - probably. Will this plan ever work - a big question.


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Funny observation: in most sources, other than Locus Walker and the Enemy Infiltration book, the Light (Velen, Chronicles) is the force that sees possibilities, and the Void is the one that speaks of the true path (N’Zoth and Xal’atath).

What is Ny’alotha though?

One of things that might play a role is in the plain sight actually. The names of the legendary rogue dagger given by Wrathion, with every upgrade change.

  1. Sets:
    Jaws of Retribution → Maw of Oblivion → Fangs of the Father

  2. Main hand:
    Fear → The Sleeper → Golad, Twilight of Aspects

  3. Off hand:
    Vengeance → The Dreamer → Tiriosh, Nightmare of Ages

Vengeance that lead to the Dreamer and might result in the Nightmare overtaking the Dream is rather clear. (Plus Merithra is now the green dragonflight lead which was locked with C’Thun for 1k years). But the others might require some thinking.

Just for lulz - join the Jailer. Their goal is roughly the same:

Sargeras expressed his growing fear that existence itself was already flawed—an idea that he had come to terms with following his encounter with the Old Gods. Only by burning away all of creation could the titans stand a chance of thwarting the void lords’ ultimate goal. In Sargeras’s mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void.

© Chronicles vol. 1, The Will of the Void


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what about an expansion about black empire and infinite dragonflight with time travel stuff? :smiley:

what if we created old gods for glory of void? or zovaal backs in time and create void lords and old gods then we work with sire denathrius and nathreizm for convince sargeras to delete all life.

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