N'zoth question

I know some lore of WoW and part of what i recall reading was that the old gods were just too embedded into Azeroth to kill without harming her greatly.

So how is it that the hero and magni could do what the titans couldn’t without maiming Azeroth? On top of that we do it… while her body has a mega burning crusade blade stabbed in making her even weaker (far more so than when the titans ran things.)

Did I miss something lore wise in game about this?

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Honestly, the lore flip-flops on the status of the Old Gods a lot.

But my understanding is as follows: Y’Shaarj’s death spooked the titans so much that they became extremely hesitant to perform any kind of invasive testing on the Old Gods.

First, ripping him out of Azeroth caused a huge crater of Azeroth’s blood to form. Then, he didn’t even have the good grace to die properly, instead spreading Sha energy everywhere. The Titans panicked, threw Y’Shaarj’s heart in a cell and decided that killing the others was simply too risky. The fact that the research they DID do following this ended up creating Ghuun just made them call the whole thing quits.

It seems likely that this was a mistake. It would have been better for the Titans to, one by one, completely exterminate each Old God and tend to the wound each caused. They might have needed to wait a thousand years or more between each kill, but it would have been the smarter choice.

Now as to how we can kill N’zoth, my understanding is that rather than trying to re-burrow into Azeroth, like his kin, he was aiming for two win conditions: A) take over the Forge and just rewrite the whole of Azeroth into a physical Nya’lotha or B) slowly corrupt every living being on it into his service. To help keep himself safe from the fates suffered by his brothers being bumrushed by adventurers, he hid himself in Nya’Lotha, which is his alternate dimension. That means that the worst case scenario, a Forge reset of the planet, wouldn’t effect him and he could just keep corrupting from the get-go. It also made any attack unfeasible, due to the strength of his corruption within the place.

But it also meant, if he could be killed within his own realm, it wouldn’t adversely effect Azeroth. Of course, that was impossible. Within Nya’Lotha, he could drive almost anyone insane almost instantly. Then Wrathion came along with his shiny cloak, and the rest was history.

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Thanks for that, it puts all of the pieces together! :slight_smile:

Given the recent events, it looks like re-origination would do the job just fine. With a side effects of us being dead, though.

Overall that would not be the first time when the titans provide false or contradicting information.

Heart of Azeroth and, if my memory serves me well, titans refer to the player characters as “children of Azeroth”. And you’re also chosen of N’Zoth.

Heart of Azeroth
A living symbol of hope, borne by the champions of a dying planet. The fate of Azeroth will be shared by all her children.

Aman’Thul (Argus the Unmaker encounter):
We must gather our strength. Return home, children of Azeroth.

Xal’atath (Twist the Knife):
Hear me, God of the Deep! I have brought you the Opener… the Bringer of Truths… the Torch That Lights the Way!

N’Zoth:
Receive my gift and see all truths before you.

N’Zoth (Uu’nat encounter):
The veil wanes. His crown will open the way.
I alone can save you from what is to come.

Queen Azshara (wipe):
He was wrong. You have proven yourselves unworthy.

There are quite a few questions about Magni and if what we did with reactivating titan facilities was any good.

Il’gynoth, the Heart of Corruption:
The king of diamonds has been made a pawn.

And it may not go too well.

Prophetic Pamphlet:
The king below will cast away his diamond crown.

There is a possibility that it was on purpose as a part of how the Pantheon were looking for other titans.

The Well [of Eternity] accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth.

So, given that they were travelling around, shaping whatever world they encounter, and seeding life, seems like something they would want to do. Not to mention that Aman’Thul explicitly states

Time answers to me, Unmaker! The one force that can bind your relentless fury!

And he also gave the possibility to see through time and timelines to the blonze dragons. Which (looks like) was enough to drive Nozdormu eventually mad. How likely would it be, that he was unable to foresee what would happen in 5 minutes, if even his servant with a fraction of such power could learn about the events that would happen in thousands of years?

We don’t know how it’s supposed to work and where will the devs go with all of it. It could be to kill Azeroth. It could be to give us azerite to deal with something else. It could be Sargeras passing the sword for whatever reason in a way so that no one would be able to take it away until Azeroth wakes up. It could be to wake her up.

Also, we would not know about more titan facilities because titans never shared that info. How do we know about Uldorus and others? Well, azerite impaled Maider of Vitality. Was it an accident? Who knows.

Also, did Magni hear Azeroth? Titan keepers used Dream Sedation Protocols on her, at least during the Whispers of a Frightened World quest. Could it be shadow of Yogg-Saron, given that at the beginning of the Legion we see Saronite Vapors? Magni was talking not just to Azeroth, but also to Eounar. Could another titan be involved? Who knows, we’ll have to wait.

But yeah, by itself the story does not make that much sense.

Yeah, you missed the details of what is the actual “N’Zoth question”.
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gl hf

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The Titans - cosmic beings of immeasurable power, try to kill an Old God, end up severely wounding the planet to the point it nearly got destroyed.

Some level 60 human who was a farmer 1 month ago killing boars and gnolls - kills C’thun with some flimsy copper sword, 3 years later kills Yogg-Saron with a slightly better sword.

Titans - are we a joke to you?

But for real, if you are looking for a coherent lore in this game, you came to the wrong place. The story has been retconned into oblivion to the point the interns at Blizz HQ just rummage through fanfics on the internet and write them into the game lore.

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And maybe that’s all what was needed. The key, perhaps old gods could have been ended properly without harming the planet only in case their own creations turned against them aka the players, cause technically we all excluding not native races, are creations of the old gods. As for N’zoth, we know he is the clever one. He bashed too many things into our heads we lost track. Which actually always was his strategy, to break his victims first. Because I don’t know if you noticed, but the old gods always seem to be vulnerable when they think they got you. Yogg-Saron’s nightmare? N’yalotha? For some reason it looks like when they think they won, they actually lost. The question what could be possibly the key to defeat the old gods may lie within what Algalon said after his defeat. And the answer is, the will to cling to one’s life, to go to that extent that you pick up your weapon and go to war with the unknown. That is the variable Titans didn’t have. Because it was yet to be created. By the old gods. In short with curse of flesh they created they orchestrated their own demise.

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Nzoth is very powerfull void being maybe an avatar of void lord manifested in material plane, void being of such power level are stated to be able to see all truths which can be interpreted as night-omniscience, i do not think we defeated him, he just played 5d chess with us and patch 8.3 was called vissions of nzoth so all we have seen might have been very powerfull illusion simmiliar to genjustsu in naruto but on planetary/cosmic scale.

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Im not even sure if nzoth is dead at this point, the way he just casually lets us take the dagger in the crucible of storm that he knows can kill him is extremely odd, not to mention the fact he calls us his chosen all the time and doesnt even try to really stop us.

I reckon the whole using the dagger on him was just a part of a larger plan

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Not really, Trolls and their offshoot are native, and not Old-God-Juiced Titan creations. Thats “only” Humans(including KT), Dwarves and Gnomes.

I see it like this.

Titans: So powerful they can’t remove the Old Gods without collateral.
Player Characters: Basically scalpels performing precision brain surgery on a tied-down and sedated patient by being small and “weak”, not dealing with quite the full brunt of the power they had it the hayday due the imprisonment and get special tools backing them up like the Heart and Cape and arguably having a better understanding of them.

It’s not about power, it is about methods, sometimes something weaker is better for the job when solving a problem.

To put it simple, The BfA “Champions of Azeroth” plot is basically performing CPR, stitching up cuts and making sure things heal properly and then removing a parasite to finish up the operation, though it is grossly simplifying things, and there is likely more at play.

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yes, titans are not night-omnipotent reality warpers that can snap their fingers and fix the universe, they are like us just with extra juice.

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