Obtaining Rank 3 Essences on Alts

[Lyonidus-tarren-mill (Lyonidus)]

Oh my god.
A Blue post that didn’t come like a day after the NA one!
What is this, is the EU forum finally being treated equally as the NA one now? About time.

About the currency, I like that Horrific Visions give a lot, even though they’re boring to do in high amounts, makes it so that people who’ve stacked up on visions (like my alts) will get their essences really fast.
However with a lot of them coming from visions, people who’ve been keeping their alts’ cloaks the same as their main may feel cheated out of fast essences because this information came out so late.

I think that doing all of the assault in one week should give you enough to buy an essence, the black empire assault should rewards 250 while the 2 smaller ones give 125.
That’s gonna keep people doing them while not stressing about doing dailies so they can squeeze out 1 more vision run because they’ve been keeping up with their cloak ranks and don’t have any coalescing visions left.

Think everything else is fine and this is a good change, even though it came so late.

[Totemtoez-amanthul]

why is that only for r3 essences…

i don’t have the trashagone r3 essence because the farm is just stupid.
Now I cannot give the r2 essence to my alt, great job

also conflict and strife is in the same fail category. If you only have r1 or r2 you still need to do the grind all over again on your alt

devs in this game are really not thinking about all scenarios

[Ellipsìs-defias-brotherhood]

Doing some napkin math that works out at 1 major essence per week from just doing the bare minimum in visions and your 3 assaults. That’s nothing.

If you actually play that character, as you would if you were gearing it. Clearing the raid, M+ dungeons, maxing your vessels to get your cloak on track, you’re easily getting to 3-4 essences a week, not counting the ones you could just acquire organically in that time like worldvein.

If you treat that alt like a main for a week, you’re getting 6+ essences on it in a week, from doing content that is also beneficial for that character’s progression in the current patch, instead of dithering around in 8.2 aspects of the game.

[Snafoo-silvermoon]

By just doing your assaults, emissaries and a vision full clear you can get 2 essences in a week of low effort stuff you’re probably already doing on that alt. That’s pretty damn good imo. So if you don’t raid, do PvP or M+ you will still only have to wait until the second week and you’ll have bought 4 essences. I don’t see how there’s anything bad about that.

[Credei-ambossar]

This is the best example, how blizztard tries to fool us… by removing one grind and adding another one.
No wonder people are leaving en mass

[Keyur-draenor (Keyur)]

They want us to invest more time in game. This system kinda grind for alts. I don’t see any major benefits unless player want to use specific class for end game. For example I just wanna explore vision with my 440 alt and let’s see how they doing in vision with essences- I don’t want to grind those wq, pvp, m+ etc. I don’t care about vision rewards at all.

We already paying sub - let players decide how much time they wanna spend. This Grind Philosophy is unnecessary.

[Bárricade-kazzak]

Lower the amount needed per essence a bit, and im ok. I dont have time to put all my available playtime into this.

[Retributor-draenor (Retributor)]

imagine a new 120. just bought bfa. stuck at home for 2 weeks for the pandemic…go into a random bg. insta killed by laser beams and more laser beams. healers wont die due to mass bubbles etc from passives.

google about it. learn its some ‘‘essence’’ you must imbue your ‘‘neck’’ with …
yey now i go get it and become strong like my enemies in this bg
…learn it takes 4 weeks grind.

give up.

go play csgo dota and other free games instead

[Pewpega-draenor]

This is terrible for new players, competing against fresh 120s with rank 3 essences.

[Lîlîith-silvermoon]

@Kaivax

As we announced last Thursday, with scheduled weekly maintenance in each region, a new system will allow players who have Rank 3 Azerite essences on at least one character to more directly acquire those Essences on other characters. This will use a new currency called Echoes of Ny’alotha. Here are more details about the system.

If a Rank 3 Essence has been earned by another character on your account, MOTHER will offer that Rank 3 Essence for 500 Echoes of Ny’alotha. Any player who is eligible to purchase at least one Essence from MOTHER will now receive Echoes of Ny’alotha from a wide range of activities in current content. These are the values we’re planning per activity:

• Black Empire Assault – 125 Echoes of Ny’alotha
• Aqir/Amathet/Mantid/Mogu Assault – 75 Echoes of Ny’alotha
• Horrific Visions – 50 Echoes of Ny’alotha, plus 25 per additional objective completed (i.e. 150 Echoes for a full clear)
• Emissary Quest – 50 Echoes of Ny’alotha
• Heroic Darkshore Warfront – 75 Echoes of Ny’alotha
• Normal/Heroic/Mythic Ny’alotha raid bosses – 15-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha each, once per week per boss
• Ny’alotha Raid Finder wings – 25 Echoes of Ny’alotha
• Random Battleground wins – 15-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha
• Rated Arena wins – 10-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha baseline, scaling up with PvP rank
• Rated Battleground wins – 35 Echoes of Ny’alotha baseline, scaling up with PvP rank
• Weekly PvP Cache – 175 to 300 Echoes of Ny’alotha, based on PvP rank
• Mythic Keystone dungeon end-of-run chest – 3 Echoes of Ny’alotha per Keystone Level (i.e. 30 Echoes of Ny’alotha for a Mythic 10)
• Weekly Mythic Keystone Cache – 20 Echoes of Ny’alotha per highest Keystone Level

The general goal here is that doing Assaults and associated Horrific Visions should provide enough to get at least one Rank 3 Essence of your choice per week. Doing other content you like (PvP, dungeons, or raids) will increase that significantly, depending on the level of content you’re doing. Of course, Essences can still be earned normally via their associated activities, so if you want to get your Essence of the Focusing Iris directly via Mythic Keystone dungeons and then buy others from MOTHER, that’s now an option. Within a couple of weeks of hitting max-level on your alt, you should be able to obtain your preferred Essences by playing the game as you usually would.

Please note: Echoes of Ny’alotha may appear to replace Azerite in the Emissary and PvP reward panes, however, it does not. Echoes of Ny’alotha are always additive with existing rewards. We believe that it is more important to release this update with a reward display issue than hold the change for a fix. We expect to fix the display issue in the next week or two.

We’ve seen discussion in the community wondering about the motivation for this change, especially considering that we previously signaled that we didn’t plan to make Essences account-wide. We’ve increasingly moved towards making cosmetics (mounts, pets, transmog, titles, etc.) and access to content (World Quest unlocks, dungeon attunements, etc.) account-wide, but we’ve tried to keep power (character levels, items, expansion-specific systems like artifacts or garrisons, etc.) character-specific.

We take this approach for two main reasons. First, a core part of the experience of playing an alt has always been gaining power as you see the game from a different vantage point, and setting your sights on a goal, whether that’s just reaching max level, or achieving a certain PvP rank, or raiding at a specific difficulty. Thus, every reward that’s account-wide becomes one fewer goal to strive for on alts. Second, while many players enjoy playing multiple characters, and while having alts offers a number of advantages, we’re wary of making it feel as though focusing on a single main character is objectively the wrong way to play the game. If more power rewards are multiplied across all characters on an account, not having multiple max-level alts would be inefficient.

That philosophy led us to initially decide against having Essences be an account-wide unlock, though it was the topic of significant and repeated internal discussion among the development team. The activities that reward Essences are all things that we believe are important to do at least once so that you become familiar with zones and stories, or to engage in aspects of the game that you may not have had a reason to try. If you are just returning to Battle for Azeroth or experiencing it for the first time, the goal of acquiring all of your Essences will lead you through many aspects of Warcraft’s endgame.

More recently, as we continued to revisit the subject, especially in light of ongoing Shadowlands design, we came to see subsequent playthroughs of the same content for the same player differently. While we still firmly believe that each character should have a progression arc of power gains, the player behind those characters understandably may not want to repeat the exact same arc multiple times when they feel they have exhausted the variety or rewards an activity might hold. So if you’ve thoroughly worked with Nazjatar followers to earn your Rank 3 Memory of Lucid Dreams, or delved into Battlegrounds and Island Expeditions enough to earn Rank 3 Blood of the Enemy, we understand why you might not want to feel required to repeat that experience. This is the same philosophy that’s informing our plans for leveling in Shadowlands, where alts can pick and choose their path through level-up content once you’ve completed the linear narrative experience once on a character.

Thank you again for your patience as we’ve worked through these questions, and for all of your feedback! You’ve helped guide us to these improvements to the system. This is the sort of conversation that we revisit every time we consider how upcoming systems will interact with multiple characters. We hope to get it right more quickly next time.

imo should be 300 instead 500.

and they should lower the req for original essences a lot.

[Lîlîith-silvermoon]

@Totemtoez-amanthul

why is that only for r3 essences…

i don’t have the trashagone r3 essence because the farm is just stupid.
Now I cannot give the r2 essence to my alt, great job

also conflict and strife is in the same fail category. If you only have r1 or r2 you still need to do the grind all over again on your alt

devs in this game are really not thinking about all scenarios

agreed - they should also include r2 essences for lets say half the price and rank 1 for 1/4 .

but i guess its done in order to force people into grinding those r3 and boost MAU

[Ysëra-draenor]

Before you start complaining that it will take long to get your essences with this new currency, think again. You will only need 4-6 essences if you are starting from scratch on a new alt, you don’t need every essence for every spec. Mostly because many of them well, simply aren’t any good. In other words you will buy your best essences and then you won’t bother with it anymore.

[Badboykaftoy-lightnings-blade]

When you say “account” do you refer to bnet account or WoW account? For example, if I have earned lots of rank 3 essences on WOW_Account_1, but currently play on WOW_Account_2, same region and same BNET account, do I benefit from the system or not?

[Kyrel-stormscale]

@Kaivax

As we announced last Thursday, with scheduled weekly maintenance in each region, a new system will allow players who have Rank 3 Azerite essences on at least one character to more directly acquire those Essences on other characters.

/tar Kaivax
/hug

@Totemtoez-amanthul

i don’t have the trashagone r3 essence because the farm is just stupid.
Now I cannot give the r2 essence to my alt, great job

also conflict and strife is in the same fail category. If you only have r1 or r2 you still need to do the grind all over again on your alt

I understand your frustration, but you don’t need to do the grind all over again - you need to do the grind for the first time and earn the essence. This is an alt catch-up mechanic. One character still has to go through the whole thing which is completely fair.

Rank 3 Conflict & Strife is a 3-4 weeks effort depending on how far you push the rating
Rank 3 Null Dynamo is a one-day effort, check the LFG tool for “spareparts”

[Zayøn-outland (Zayøn)]

@Kaivax

This is the sort of conversation that we revisit every time we consider how upcoming systems will interact with multiple characters. We hope to get it right more quickly next time.

I want to believe it with all of myself, I want to delude myself that you are not lying as always, I want to hope that you have truly understood the importance of listening to fans, your community …
I implore you, do not disappoint us yet, do not hesitate to ask us if a feature could interest us or not, do not hesitate to listen to us!
as a loyal fan i’m frustrated to see good features removed and RNG-based things taking out the game

@Kaivax

You’ve helped guide us to these improvements to the system. This is the sort of conversation that we revisit every time we consider how upcoming systems will interact

PLEASE DONT STOP THIS, PLEASE DONT LIE TO US, PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR FANS/CUSTOMERS!!

[Critzer-mograine]

This update is gangster and has lots of $wag, keep it up homies

[Totemtoez-amanthul]

@Kyrel-stormscale

One character still has to go through the whole thing which is completely fair.

Rank 3 Conflict & Strife is a 3-4 weeks effort depending on how far you push the rating
Rank 3 Null Dynamo is a one-day effort, check the LFG tool for “spareparts”

point is, I don’t want r3 of those essences, because I don’t want to grind that garbage for some minor adds.
R2 would be more than suffice, but yet I need to grind r3 or grind r2 all over again.

system makes no sense for me

[Aeula-argent-dawn (Aeula)]

When do we get account wide essences?

[Psjohly-argent-dawn (Psjohly)]

@Kyrel-stormscale

Rank 3 Conflict & Strife is a 3-4 weeks effort depending on how far you push the rating

Rank 3 is 17 weeks capping conquest. Tried to do arenas with friends, but start losing at 1175 rating. So 1400 is not reachable with a negative winrate.

But very happy with these new options for alts!

[Rhaeve-magtheridon (Rhaeve)]

I parked my alts and they stay parked, not going through this whole thing again with assaults or whatever is needed. I am focussing on my main and have been doing that mostly through BfA. This is nice for the account wide essences, but too little too late in my opinion.