[Old Elite set discussion] Should it be a way to let players to complete unfinished old elite sets (pre-MoP)?

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Ok so can I also make a ticket requesting gold refunds for all the spec, talent changing I did way back? Since its now free to do so?

I am also beginning to see why the GMs just shut you off. There is no real problem. Its the case of “this pink wase” is not pink enough for me so its a problem for ME!

Times change. I also lost some mounts(even remember deleting that mount we get from one of those old dungeons on my alt which couldnt afford to buy artisan flying) and items.
Expecting GMs to dig into what I did back in 2010s and restore all lost items from that time period…is just ludicrous at this point. Its time to make peace with the past and move on…

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You see, it’s a lost fight.

Nobody has the problem, stadistically, im like the bottom 0.00001% of the playerbase that suffers from this problem, and even less of the playerbase if we add up the fact that I’m aware of it and still playing the game.

If the only solution is to make a discusion where nobody will empathise with me (even if the problem is 100% legit), the battle is lost, and the problem still persists. I lose, and I of course want to win, because I have probable cause and enough knowledge from the game (even in the CS GM part) that I know that something can be done.

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You can’t because you gave value to those things. Rather than having an exact piece of gear that gave X and Y stats that were equal to the piece that was needed to buy that one, and that only lasted 1 season and only for PvP.

A problem is a problem, in my perspective is big enough to fight for it. As I can’t empathise with others because I don’t have their perspective, I can make the efford and understand that sometimes the problems that seem little to me, are the world for others.

The fact is that you can restore those items by posting a ticket (no joke), so there’s a way to solve this.
This is why I post the ticket with my problem, because after knowing everything that can be done, it hasn’t fixed my problem because it rooted from other part.
PST: Open a ticket and restore your character items, congratz.

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Yep, your issue is quite niche in that it concerns items you could have bought but didn’t, and have no way of accessing them now if I understood correctly. That said, I’m quite sure more people will recognise this, or the fact they deleted/vendored appearances before transmog went live. You can have a discussion specifically on that, and will most likely find more people who recognise it and sympathise with your viewpoint.

I do hope you get that that in itself is a different kind of feedback than this thread. I’m not saying Blizzard CS is flawless :wink: but in this case I’m scratching my head trying to see how they could be to blame. If you skip that, you may end up with a good discussion.

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I’ve done it several times, and experience tells that as time passes, less players with that issue play the game, or come to the forums, so it becomes smaller and less relevant in time, thus, people grief the post and try to compare the problem with others that are completely different, leading to empty discussions about the subject.

I also wanted to post the full screenshot because CS GMs are on thick ice, and that they are questioned through this last years due to the AI responses, their toxic work enviroment and their loss of competences regarding in-game issues. Even if it seemed like I’m against them, it’s the opposite. I want GMs also to get some recognition here because if they could they would fix, but given that they are so miserable right now, my problem will have less probabilities to get fixed.

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Pretty much the same logic every Karen use.

Just remember that no matter how well “financed and helpful” a customer service could be…and not talking about just WoW. They wont be able to bow down to absolutely every whim.

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Don’t trigger me with that, please. Don’t tell me that my problem doesen’t have probable legit cause xd.

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Not every problem is worth the resources or heck even attention.
Same when a Karen complains that her “favourite, unmarked, public spot” has been taken by somebody else and demands it to be towed.
Now for the Karen, that problem is a life or death question for her and she will move mountains if need be to get that spot.

For any person using common sense and logic. I really doubt somebody will actually tow that car away(which is not breaking any laws and has the same right to be there as well) .

EDIT So for a TL:DR. Maybe for you personally its a huge insomnia causing problem(like the parking spot for the Karen) but at least from the replies here. People have to far disregarded fully or admitted to be a minor nuisance at worst.

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The subject in here is this:

Player A could buy XYZ rewards from a vendor, unlocked via ø requisite.
Player A bought Y and Z, because it was his decision. Player A would’ve bought item X but it was not worth because it had no value back then.

Patch ß arrived, they introduced ╚ feature, which added more value to the XYZ items.

Time passes, until patch ß.420 releases. In that time, subsequent items X.2, Y.2, and Z.2, were affected by the ╚ feature, so player A could buy them safely and get its full value. However, he’s still missing item X from the first iteration, and he has no way to get it even if he could’ve bought it because he acomplished the requeriments to get it.

Now, player A asks if something can be done, given that pre patch ß, he did not know about ╚ feature, and that the item X has alot of value for him, and it doesen’t imply a loss or gain of character power for the game, so it doesen’t affect other player’s gameplay.

Would you see this problem as something that should deserve a fix? Is it legit? Because that’s a representation of what’s happening.

Now, as an example of what Blizzard have implemented:

Player A did NOT unlock the requeriments to get item W in certain time because requisites was to get to N rating. Item W was not obtainable anymore. Season ends, and the player unlocks an achievement PP that was unlocked with less requirements that the N rating threshold to earn item W.

Time passes.

Patch ß.2 releases, Blizzard adds a vendor where any player with achievement PP could buy item W.

Was it legit? No. Was it implemented? Yes. Talking about MoP PvP enchant (Glorious Tyranny PvP enchant, our item W).

So Blizzard sometimes fixes stuff for the average player, when the reward has some interest that passes some threshold of interest. It fixes it wrong, it devalues the item’s value.

In the first scenario that I wrote, this would not happen, the items XYZ did demand the same requisite. Having item Y and Z in a player’s bag or equiped, or transmog, should alow the player to get item Z, because the requeriments were the same.

This is a representation of how Blizzard works toward these kind of problems. And that’s why I want to fight to get my problem solved right, because I would not want Blizzard to “free” that reward to players who did not earn the requeriment; I want players who did get the specific requeriment to unlock same-range rewards, to complete the full set. Is it too much to ask?

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Then the player needs to finally accept that the ship has sailed?

I also missed some mage tower wep transmogs cause didnt pay much attention then, now I kinda regret missing them.
Still, I missed the boat so I move on.

Even checked that reddit post you mentioned at the start and agree with some comments even there.

Learn
To
Move
On

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Did you complete mage tower back then? Aka did you get to 2200 rating S9 and got partially part of the set? It’s not the same.

I will not move on, I have probable cause that my problem is easily fixable. Does it bother you that I could have my S9 elite set complete when I have the 50% of it? A reasonable player would say no.

Moving on or not is only my bussiness. I’m doing what I was suggested in the posted image, that I should post this in the forums, social media, and write suggestions to Blizzard. I have done it, I will do it in the future untill this gets adressed, same as I’ve been doing for 10+ years now.

But again, in discussions like this, where I write everything about my subject with clarity, even peolple tend to just meme about it or seek for confrontation, moving the conversation towards things that aren’t the point, and unvalidating my main objective, give visibility to the subject. Which revolves into a “what to do”.

GMs tell me to write to Blizzard’s sugestion → straight to the trashbin.
GMs suggest me to open posts in forums → People with little empathy or will to read and participate to the main subject, take it personal, and the post is invalid.
I repoen a ticket to see if it can be fixed other way → I get the same answer.

My problem that is easily fixed and has no impact on the game will never be fixed, and it is doomed to make me miserable.

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Being stuck in the past wont change it. Blizzard has already answered your questions multiple times. Time to accept it and finally move on.

It doesnt matter how hard or easy it is to fix. If Blizzard has responded to your request with a no…multiple times then its time to accept it and deal with it.
Didn’t your parents taught you that when they say ““no”” to your request to buy candy, it means no and you must accept it. Doesn’t matter if they have enough money in the wallet to buy the said candy and nothing is physically preventing them from buying it.

The only thing which is dooming you is…you being stuck in the past and refusing to make peace with it.
Nobody else can help you there…

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They haven’t said no xd.

I’m not stuck in the past. I just have an uncomplete elite set in my wardrobe that I’d like to complete, and since there is no way to complete it because it was not a Legion+ elite, im doomed to have it incomplete, thus, I give visibility of the problem as suggested by GMs.

Any other divagation or assumption about my persona is just pure bait and divagation. I want to priorize the point of it:

Is that a problem for you? Does it offend you? If so, I can’t help. I just want to have a conversation about this.

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They said they can’t do it and redirected you to the forums…for what reason. I dont know tbh. The forum discusion wont change anything…

Well. I also would like some pixels from pre-cata era in retail wow. But we cant have everything now can we?

It seems to be offending you only and if you are dramatizing so much over some old missing pixels in a video game?..

Yeah…I really doubt there is much to discuss here tbh. So er…uhm… good luck in your grand crusade to get those old pixels? Since you have already written a ticket this year then… see ya next year then?

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Then? They don’t hear the feedback? Which loops back to ask for them for help because the problem is still there. If any problem with other nature would have the same response (and they do), why don’t they say straight to the face that it can’t get fixed? I’m posting believing that this have some value, even if my heart tells me the opposite.

If you unlocked them and got some items that required the same nature and you got the tokens to get it and still conserve the prove in your bags, why not? Open a ticket, and then post in the forums to engage feedback.

If pixels in a videogame matters to me or not is just my thing. I, as a player, have this problem, and I’ve been suggested to open a conversation about that specific problem. What it bothers me or not is another subject that is not what I want to talk about right now, and also that doesen’t wield any weight on the conversation.

Quick and easy: What do you think about Blizzard letting players who did earn partial elite sets from pre-legion PvP to get them completed once since there’s no way to get them in-game by player hand where there’s a prove that that character did earn the requirements to get them in that season and even have partial parts in their bags or equiped?

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The devs dont read EU forums. Best bet to get it to the devs? In-game suggestion tools or whatever they are called.

I dont dig up some old 2010s :poop:. Got other places to invest my energy in. :rofl:

I think thats ancient history and Blizzard has far more issues to solve than some “who got what piece back in 2006” circus…

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A 2011 problem is the same problem as a 2023 problem. But older.

Issues are issues, time is not a determinant variable here. The game is the same game.

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  • A: Its a corporation. What did you expect?
  • B: Not only is it a corporation. But on top it provides non-vital services. Who cares about video games? You can live with out it. If it was the Water Supply company on the other hand… that is something else. So dont treat them the same.
  • C: And finally… you simply dont get how player feedback works. Let me explain it for you:

You are ONE of many. ONE of millions. You expect a GM to listen to YOU specifically? WHY? What makes you so special?

Blizzard DOES take into consideration player feedback. Especially in the forums.

But NEVER from a specific person. They make statistics. Because as a company, it is in their interest to please as many people as possible. Pleasing specifically YOU will earn them no money whatsoever.

Especially because if they listen to you, they have to listen to me as well. And to all other players. And that would make it an impossible task to fulfill. Both by a GM (well payed or not) or a machine.

So. TLDR: You are not special. Nobody cares about you. And that is true for any individual player here (myself included).

Dont pretend to be a special snowflake when you are not. Dont be a Narcissist. You are but a speck of dust in this unforgiving universe.

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And there are more pressing problems than some old 2010s which most dont even pay attention to.

And dev resources are limited so they cant fix absolutely every… issue, so they prioritize.

Edit: Guess Uda wasnt fooling around and pretty much hit the nail on this one(reply above me).

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I am not, thats why I use the tools that we all have, post in forums and summit feedback, as suggested. I agree in all of what you say.

Still, haven’t heard your opinion on the subject, would you mind sharing yours? Regarding this:

Thank you!