Nice topic.
Thank you.
Love it.
To the point of sacrificing my character in game for it, with permanent death.
Not just them.
- Players that love the faction, war.
- Pragmatic players that see Honor as a silly thing, that stops real war from happening.
- Vengeful players, that hate every time the Honorable Horde manages to work with the Alliance, to fight a bigger threat.
All of the above examples fall in to the category of :
Hating the Alliance, to the point of wanting them erased from Azeroth, at any cost except being plain out evil, what ever that is, probably not serving the Legion as slaves, I think that’s the only boundary.
I would go as far as suggesting this is the only outcome from a faction war:
A Human and a Orc fighting, for ever, until the Legion came and took everything.
That’s what pisses me off in WoW lore.
While I have zero problems with Warcraft lore, WoW lore seems always shoehorned and lazy.
- I played Orcs, in Warcraft the first RTS game and had zero problems, with raising skeletons and summoning demons, because they were chaotic and I accepted that from the very first scenario.
- Played Thrall Horde, in Warcraft 3 and while I was genuinely surprised too find Orcs faction very different from the one I played in Warcraft 1.
They were trying to find a new home after fleeing the internment camps, I had again zero problems with that.
Why the Forsaken couldn’t had their own lore, their own faction in WoW and after the Blood Elves would joined them, they would form the Coalition that would oppose the Human Alliance in Eastern Kingdoms.
This seems a very lazy excuse, to make everyone play the two faction system from the RTS.
I agree.
Every single race in game, has a a purpose.
Quoting Thrall from the cinematic, “Safe Heaven”.
They all want “Home and family”.
That’s what I want for the Honorable Horde a safe coexistence with the Alliance.
The Forsaken are completely different, they don’t bread, eat, procreate or generate anything in the land they live.
I would have no problems with Calia Menethil as the leader of Forsaken, but I do not think anyone that likes Forsaken lore would ever tolerate that.
My personal opinion:
They should had never joined Thrall Horde to begin with and BfA makes a huge disservice to the Horde community, regarding that.
BfA should as a faction war expansion remind the Horde players that don’t play Forsaken why they are a valuable war asset in the War.
Not remind us why they don’t match with Thrall’s foundation principles.
I blame this on Activision Blizzard writing 200%.
They should had never been like that to start with.
- Genn Greymane, introduced in Cataclysm.
Has his city attacked by that new Orc that came from Outland and knew nothing about the Horde experience in Azeroth or Thrall principles and show brown Orcs are no better than green orcs.
Sylvanas going evil mode blightning Gilneas and killing his son.
Her orders were to take the city not do what she did.
Makes me remind of this quest where Garrosh punishes one of his underlings, for doing exactly what Sylvanas did.
One of the few things I agree with him.
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Gallywix, off all the Goblins that died when the Goblin ship was sink, by the Alliance he was the one to survive.
Seeing how “Azeroth destiny” spares the likes of him and punishes the likes of Liam Greymane I stoped believing in justice. -
Tyrande, had no problems after Legion, Activision blizzard had to make a wound so deep that can never be healed, by burning Teldrassil, in a way that even the most veteran soldier of the Horde is having nightmares with it.
Thank you Activision Blizzard, I really now believe this will be the “last faction conflict”.
I would see the end of WoW before that ever happen.
“Foul me once shame on you, foul me twice shame on me”.
That will happen.
It always happen … temporary.
I bet the next expansion will remind us of how Azeroth is dying, of how we need to work together, with Baine as Warchief.
Till, Warchief, Gallywix comes and start everything again.
I agree.
I blame this on Activision Blizzard.
If we look at the primordial of the Horde, Blackhand was killed by Doomhammer.
Because he disagree on the use of Felmagic and how Gul’Dan was doing things.
From Wowpedia:
" Orgrim Doomhammer believed that his time had come. The Shadow Council was in disarray, and [Blackhand] was still reeling from the recent failed attack on Stormwind City. Orgrim would have no better chance to erase the corruption that had damned the orcish people. He challenged Blackhand to a [mak’gora], a duel to the death, calling the Warchief a traitor who had sold his people into servitude to [dark forces]. It was not a challenge Blackhand could refuse. No orc could, not without losing the Horde’s respect. He could not even have Orgrim assassinated in secret, for Blackhand had relied on the Shadow Council for such tasks."
That happened during Garrosh period with Cairne failing a Mak’Gora but with Vol’Jin managing to dethrone Garrosh with the help of the Alliance.
We have the same thing again with Sylvanas and Saurfang in BfA.
Talking about over use of the, “Evil Warchief” rebellion narrative …
My opinion: here lies the root of WoW problems.
While a RTS is a single game, that the dev team can write as they please, WoW is not.
In a virtual world where one part of the community is playing a lawful faction, that is the Alliance.
Honoured, forgiving, justified, never bound to repeat Arthas mistake.
The other wants the opposite.
Pragmatic, vengeful, no need for justifications, but not “totally evil”, what ever that means …
That is a faction of the Horde community.
So the question is, where Thrall’s Horde fits in ?
Answer: it has no room for it.
For the good part of the community they can’t simply dissociate that:
- Tauren are a peaceful people and all they care about is their families and their Earth mother.
- Orcs like Saurfang, who do not wish to serve under demonic influence again.
- Darkspear Trolls who wish to live peacefully in their isles.
- Blood Elves, having lost 90% of their population, during the war against the Litch King want to rebuild their lands, Lor’themareven tried to rejoin the Alliance during Garrosh period.
Another huge disservice, I think Blizzard did to the lore community, while creating WoW has been: not to write WoW on the first game as the movie did and from that point move to Warcraft 2 lore and Warcraft 3 lore.
That means: Serving Gul’Dan and the legion, committing acts of brutality, losing the war to the Alliance and having to flee from the internment camps as Thrall men did.
That would had make the players be more connected with the Orc race and the Horde origins.
Just look at the community right now:
- Humans the most played race in the Alliance.
- Blood Elves the most played race in a faction founded by a Orc, in a game called Orcs vs Humans …
There is no problems with Activison Blizzard saying they believe the faction war to be a integral part of WoW.
There is a HUGE problem when BfA is a expansion that pisses players off more than making them connected to their leaders and story.
Right now my pc is ordered to follow a Warchief she would gladly turn her back, but due to game mechanics it cannot.
Feel bad for doing actions she had literally zero saying on them.
Participate in another remake of WoTLK (Legion), Cataclysm (BfA) and MoP (Next expansion), where the Horde is as usual described as dishonoured, monsters, that can’t keep themselves, from doing villainous acts when the factions are at War.
And to add insult to injury this is just the second time this happens during Thrall period.
Third time if we consider Gul’Dan period.
Moral of the story from a player that likes to play the Honorable Horde perspective, I think this topic sums it up pretty well:
"The novellas make it abundantly clear that we’ve jumped over the point of no return.
As Saurfang says in the Novella, no amount of explanations are going to wash away the taint of it. The Alliance kept calling us monsters - we just proved them right.
If they make Sylvanas a Karma Houdini, expect the sub numbers to drop so fast Blizzard won’t even know what hit it. Everyone wants her dead. Even the Horde."
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Just my thoughts.
Cheers.
