Hello, Orcs have been getting the one nerf after another while some races are completely untouched (Gnomes, Elves even Humans to an extent).
You literally made Shatter Curse a medium to trash tier racial. In the initial version it granted Immunity and removal to Curses and Banes and 15% magic dmg reduction for 8 seconds.
Now just 5% magic dmg reduction (wow insane…) with a simple Curse and Bane removal, no longer immunity for the duration, everyone will just reapply the curse instantly on you.
You removed Savage 1% crit and gave us Command 5% Pet Damage. Insane value right there, every class except of Warlocks and Hunters will have a literally dead slot of a racial.
And then some tweaking to Blood Fury from 2 minutes to 3 minutes and 2 minutes again, which I don’t really care much.
Initial Orc racials were giga strong and they needed adjustments but I think you kinda completely ruined the race making it incredibly class specific due to Command and Shatter Curse being kinda a joke (look at the equivalent Stoneform).
Why not just keep Shatter Curse as it was but reduce it to 10% magic resistance. Keep Blood Fury to 3 minutes so it’s in line with other active dmg racials (Elves, Trolls). Then completely remove Command and give us a utility racial that goes in line with the Orc lore or something. It doesn’t have to be insane, but at least it has to be useful for everyone.
Bonus: I have no idea what are you doing with Taurens either. The only race with no dmg racial (give crit dmg back at least?) and Plainsrunning at 60% movement speed has to be some trolling. Free mount at lvl 1 and bot paradise.
20 Likes
I’ve asked this multiple times now, but how can bots utilize Plainsrunning, exactly? It takes a lot of running to get to 60%. If you are farming mobs, it’s better to have racial for damage. If you are herbing or mining, there are better movement abilities (Feline Swiftness, Travel Form, Ghost Wolf) before mounts make it redundant, anyway.
4 Likes
Truth being told Command is lame & class restrictive. It only benefits 2 classes.
They should remove class specific racials completely. Exactly what did with weapon specific racials and for a good reason. Also that 5% magic resistance does sound kinda silly…
PS: There are so many Orc Warriors out there as we all know. Them having Command is ridiculous tbh. Orcs should not be a Warlock & Hunter only race.
7 Likes
Gathering bots don’t need a damage racial. They follow optimized routes for hours, so even small movement-speed gains add up. Plainsrunning is also available regardless of class, unlike Travel Form or Ghost Wolf.
The question isn’t whether bots can exploit it, but whether up to 60% movement speed is balanced for a racial regardless.
5 Likes
My comment was directed at the “tauren bot paradise” at the end of his OP. Which I find a bit silly. It’s something I’ve seen 3 people bring up now.
It’s true, Tauren are probably the best at it for a little while, though I have my doubts how lucrative the peacebloom/copper farming is going to be. And even if it is, it’s probably better to get to level 40 and then do it with mounts, no?
1 Like
I don’t think you realise how much time and walking this can save you in classic, it’s actually insane and anyone who wanna min max/speed level or bot farm will roll Tauren most likely (obviously normal players will roll Tauren too). On top of that it can be broken under certain conditions (flag carrier, duel start etc).
Also, majority of bots in this game play hunters. What’s the best leveling class atm for hunters? Tauren. They will get as fast as possible to 40 by using scripts for high Plainsrunning uptime and then continue their journey to 60. The faster they reach to 60 the more money their bot farm will make, it’s common sense.
4 Likes
So, the bot is used for farming mobs, then? An activity where you are constantly stopping and starting, especially with the jerky movement bots display? If the farm is any good, which it very well might be because of fast spawns, you aren’t rolling in stacks. And once you have Aspect of the Cheetah, it’s even less useful.
Chances are, damage racials save you more time, or make the difference minimal at best.
1 Like
bro i’m livid with the state of Orcs and Tauren racials atm. compared to any of the Alliance races they are under tuned. Replacing Savage with Command is a wild move even for Blizzard remove a racial that all classes will benefit from to give them one which only 1 class will really benefit from which is BM because we all know Warlocks don’t use their pets for damage their pets utility is where they shine. Tauren… where do you start Cultivation is just nonsense, what usefulness is that really? which Alliance racial is as BS as this one? taking their crit dmg and hit chance is another unexplained mystery when they have so little already then we have plainsrunning, wtf is going on here? i’m not even getting into the Skyborne racials because that’s another kettle of fish.
7 Likes
They should just remove these speed boost racials out and give the Horde something good in exchange. Funny how Horde got both of them.
Orc racials are still strong. BIS for warlock and hunter which gives horde faction advantage. Stop wanting favours for your class instead of seeking balance across.
4 Likes
You just got buffed cd on your damage racial. So youre golden <3
Tauren ye. Plainsrunning is just ridiculous.
But taurens do make the best tanks and have aoe cc/interupt. So they are fine.
Acting like warstomp isn’t op, is just ridiculous.
1 Like
Orcs are more than fine now that Blood Fury is back to 2 minutes. Shatter Curse should never have been a thing in the first place.
1 Like
And they gave dwarf that +hit 
That is just hilarious.
3 Likes
Mate, Orcs just got one of their racials bufffed by 50% (or 33% depending on how you count it) → CD of their active reduced from 3 min to 2 min.
I think the main issue is that they tried fixing all the racials wayy too much and with too little QA Testing. Which is way everything was kinda hit with a nerf hammer and their passives were a bit all over the place.
Currently they should all be somewhat samesy in damage output and validity for PvE content. On the PvP side it’s a bit more difficult to balance, but weeeelp - welcome to classic.
1 Like
Ye Horde is locked on all PvP servers - lets buff orc 
- one of the best PvP racials in the game.
Which is BiS on hunter/warlock.
1 Like
Where were the orcs when human racials sucked?
2 Likes
orcs is one of the most op races, they should be nerf more indeed
2 Likes
it’s ability always was 2 min cd. It’s was nerfed in previous patch, and now unnerfed.
And yes, orcs racials completely fine rn. Don’t touch them
3 Likes
When did human racials ever suck?
3 Likes
What about Humans, Nelfs and Gnomes?
2 Likes