So according to this interview with Holinka: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMuM6ppXQSo , Mages, Rogues and Priests will be available to all classes. Which means there will be another class I will be FORCED TO play as huge, ugly orc. I am so pissed off at this.
Why they don’t fix the racials in pvp, or outright delete them? At this point I seriously don’t care about race fantasy or whatever. I just don’t want ALL of my characters to be orcs when I absolutely hate how they look, move, fight and cast spells.
Playing Spriest as panda and Holy as UD on Horde was the only thing that I was able to stomach, but now people will start being min max turds if I won’t play priest as orc…
I get it, to a lot of people my situation must seem hilarious and pathetic, but it means a shaitton to me what my character looks like and how they move and I am SO sick and tired of playing orcs, just because playing without hardiness really does feel like gimping yourself, especially in such a stun heavy meta.
If Blizzard won’t disable racials for ranked PvP in 10.0. I am quiting for real this time around, or I ll just casually turd around in Wrath on my human mage, because even when I am forced to play human for arena in Wrath because of EMFH, at least I don’t have to be green Mike Tyson in a skirt.
This situation is starting to really grind my gears. Are there any blue posts, where Blizzard aknowldges, that the ranked pvp meta is all about Orcs,Night Elfs and Humans? Why do they think it’s healthy for a game, where we have international ranked pvp tournaments? Is it there just because race and faction changing brings Blizzard money? I’m so confused at this point.
Idk i can see Nightelf Demonhunter in Top 50 B11 better
I can see Nightelf in general in Top 100 as Priest/Mage even tho they have better options
Trilles Hunter was Gnome and was Top 100
Drainerx plays Vupera Priest for Fun
So what are u going to tell me? We are not in Wrath we dont have ICC Trinket s here u cant even closely compare this
Maybe its becuase that Orc is the most appealing Race on the Horde side? and many people are Forced to play Horde for more succesfull pugging options?
its true that racials should be off for pvp but still ur not forced to play those faction many players are showing rn on the ladder that other things are working too
I can see Nightelf in general in Top 100 as Priest/Mage even tho they have better options
Wasn’t your original argument, “that it doesnt matter untill Top 100” ? Btw, what are the better options for mages and priests? Just Panda comes to mind for a SPriest, maybe for mage if you are Raiku.
Trilles Hunter was Gnome and was Top 100
Drainerx plays Vupera Priest for Fun
Whoaw!!! You mentioned 2 streamers who played gimped race for fun up to Top 100, because they are gods and they can play this game with eyes closed, congratualtions. Now tell me if they would play these races in AWC?
Anyway here’s the data from pvpleaderboard . com for everybody with 1900+ rating:
Orcs: 33.7%
UD: 12.7% (mostly priests)
Belfs: 11.2% (mostly DH and Paladins)
Tauren: 11% (mostly druids and paladins)
Nelf: 10.6%
Human: 9.4%
Rest goes from 2% to 0.1%
… that’s not normal. And if you think that it is like that because “Maybe its becuase that Orc is the most appealing Race on the Horde side?” then thats the most naive answer I ever read.
I am glad we agree at least at one thing: Racials should be switched off in ranked pvp content.
I am baffled why you think that 20% passive stun resist with Gladiator’s Badge as a racial that is off global cooldown is not a big deal compared to literally every other racial … but ok.
Why dont u just become a “God”? its possible isnt? Raiku,Whaaz,Trille,Drainer and other People did it or not why u cant do it? Look if u wanna become a Rank1 Player fine but than it sounds like a l2p issue to me if u just wanna do 2,4k u can play W/E Race or W/E Comp we already saw people hitting Gladi with meme Comps
Yes theyre “Gods” but they started playing this game like u and me maybe u should not set ur goals so high idk if u already 2,4k rn in this Moment and not a Elo Inflated one whos 2,4k in the End of the Season where R1 are 3k+ like me.
But yeah “git good” btw i know a SP who hit 2,7k on AT as SP/Rogue in 2s was Top 30 dont need to limit ur self to Racials and lets be real who would play a Goblin/Troll Warrior? my first Choice would be Orc without a doubt lol
Raiku - plays orc and human mage
Whaaz - plays a night elf and orc rogue
Trille - dont really know him, but I bet you he usually plays either orc, night elf or human.
Drainerx - just saw him on orc shaman by just quick look on his twitch.
Why they don’t play other races when they are gods? I can tell you why … because it’s better to have 20% passive stun resist and racial Gladiator Badge than not having it. And not having it means you feel gimped. When you feel gimped you always keep asking yourself “why am I gimping myself on purpose.”
I shouldn’t be asking these question regardless of if I am a total noob who will never learn the game, or if I am on my path to hit rank1.
Can we stop pretending, that orc racials don’t matter? Because as long as RMP is going to be dominating comp, orcs are going to be the most powerful race. (And night elfs in opposite situation.)
I just want to have an even playing field when it comes down to competitive pvp modes. Please stop acting like that’s not important.
look Human,Nightelf,Orc are just the most pretty races and done and yes they are better than other Races too u have some honorable mentions like Iron Dwarf for Destro or Gnome Warrior but lets be real why would u play a Dwarf Lock if u can be a Human or Orc?
Why would u play a Worgen Druid if u can be a Nightelf?
In what world would u play anything over Human and Nightelf : D lets see next patch how people gonna play the game with crossfaction i gonna go balance n11 even tho taure is bis
and u forgot that mage can be taure that means with enought haste frost/arcane can InvisStomp Sheep u know the new DB i think thats way more scary but on the other hand its a hard prize to play Tauren Mage
Because they can’t be Orcs.
If they could, you wouldn’t see Night Elf there.
Doesn’t really work for your case.
Yes, it’s appealing to have hugely increased win chances.
That’s the problem. People can’t play what they enjoy, nor they can play diverse variety of classes, if winning appeals to them.
That’s very simply put what he meant to say, so even you can understand.
That would be World of Warcraft. Come on, it’s only the horny players that sticks with Blood EZzzz and HumaZzzz. Of all the races we have, and those players picks the most boring ones like WoW is a real life simulator or something.
No, blizz is holding a 20% passive stun reduction and racial gladiator badge vs let’s say +1% magic damage and an aoe snare on 3 minute cd.
Also saw someone whom played as dark iron dwarf mage on high lvl. So please stop spread the bullcrap.
So you saw 1 high rated dark iron dwarf mage out of 99 high rated human and night elf mages and that’s your argument why I am spreading bullcrap?
@Nvmtoxic:
Raiku had last Season a Frostmage on Rank1 in 2v2
I am sorry, but what does that have to do with orc/human/nelf racials being astronomicaly more useful than all the other racials?
You could have gone for much better argument: With Resolve it’s bis for mage to be human or undead (Even though resolve with hardiness is pretty awesome as well.) And resolve is there this patch, right now. But is it going to be there next patch? Because I know that Hardiness and Blood Fury will be there 100%.
look Human,Nightelf,Orc are just the most pretty races and done and yes they are better than other Races too u have some honorable mentions like Iron Dwarf for Destro or Gnome Warrior but lets be real why would u play a Dwarf Lock if u can be a Human or Orc?
Why would u play a Worgen Druid if u can be a Nightelf?
If you think that competitive retail player thinks in the terms of “I will play the prettiest race” or “I will play a race that fits the best to my selected class.” then you are a bit naive I am afraid to say.
and u forgot that mage can be taure that means with enought haste frost/arcane can InvisStomp Sheep u know the new DB i think thats way more scary but on the other hand its a hard prize to play Tauren Mage
That’s all really nice theory-crafting and I give you this one as well. Kul Tiran stun into arcanosphere is also hella fun and you can find so much more fun combos with active racials. But hardiness and blood fury will be always better as long as the most common win condition in arena are stuns. And most common comp is RMP.
RPGs and min-maxers are not compatible. In fact they conflict horribly, and the only result in trying to appeal to both is a game they both hate more and more.
That’s my answer.
I don’t think they tried to appeal to min-maxers before, and those kinds of players just min-maxed with what they had, because obviously it’s always possible to do that.
Don’t like the imbalance? Well, you know, it’s an RPG, and that is impossible to avoid if you want actual differences between races and classes. It is a serious question to ask “What exactly drew you to an MMORPG?”
Actually min-maxing to get the best out of what you’ve got, or what you choose, is fine in this genre. It’s the min-maxing to WIN WIN without any other consideration that’s completely at odds, and designing a game with this latter in mind can be nothing but disastrous to the fabric of an RPG.
Wish I still had similar mind-set, but my relationship with wow is not about rpg, story, raiding, exploring, etc. It burnt out of me somewhere around BfA and now I just have to feed my addiction to wow arena system of 2v2s and 3v3s because there is literally no alternative worth playing to this “pvp game mode.” except from dying Battlerite, some obscure games and dying pvp comunities in all the other mmorpgs.
Even if they disabled racials for the top tournaments or Arenas, there’ll surely still be the massive problem of spec and class imbalances?
I mean it’s just always the case that something is overpowered, or underpowered.
Maybe it’d fix your personal issue of being pressured into playing an Orc, but really, is it common for Arena junkies to care about how their character looks? I would’ve thought what matters is the performance, because they surely don’t play for the fantasy.
Honestly it seems to me also a min-maxer out to win as their single goal, is by that fact making a subscription to limit the game for themself (play only what is statistically the optimal). I mean it’s just par the course.
People using the word “forced” usually refers to the value gained for being an orc.
In a PvP setting if you want to squeeze out the best, you go for an orc if it’s available. Also, being forced to picking the best doesn’t mean that you’re playing on the highest level, that is ridiculous assumption. You can only connect two things together here: top pick, top players, bravo.
Players that only do world content want to do their best too, this is something that some humans strive for. This is why some people dislike the system, because there is player performance connected to the race they choose. They like something else aesthetically, but don’t want to miss the value of racials.
I don’t know why this must be explained to people. I feel like this is common sense.
Please spare me the semantics and that someone in the world content has to be a Vulpera for the camp skill, so he can get an achievment faster by few hours faster.
We are talking about rated pvp here. Spamming one arena over another every 5 minutes and getting a stun heavy comp like RMP 10 times in a row.
I don’t even think that it has too much of an impact in pve, so that’s where I would keep “the fantasy”. But in rated pvp racials are undeniably problematic from a balance perspective and very bad design if one of the core philosophies of this game is “Be whoever you want to be.” If I do that I gimp myself and I have to “git good” respectively “git better” than an orc player even if our skill and gear are 100% the same.
If racials were strong enough damage wise, some might see X race more compelling in PvE. However, in a PvE setting racial effectiveness isn’t as big as in PvP. It’s up to individual, if they see this racial bonus worth it. Seems like most of them don’t, but I’d claim that if Lightforged beacon racial hit for 70k, there’d be more Lightforged.
This is why I didn’t elaborate on the PvE subject that much, because I thought, that we’re focusing on the PvP side of things. I wanted to point out that no matter the skill level, people want to do their best.
I can make this really simple: I’m on your side! I’m freaking NB and I did arenas on this toon last season. Orc racials would’ve helped, but I didn’t change. I wanted those racials though for balance.
i think thats way more scary but on the other hand its a hard prize to play Tauren Mage
i think thats way more scary but on the other hand its a hard prize to play Tauren Mage