I’m using this build on icy veins, if you just type in “Outlaw Rogue Mythic+” it’s the first result. Revolves around Dancing Steel and Precise Cuts.
I’m getting bottom ranked DPS in details in every dungeon. I’m basically proccing blade furry as fast as I can when there’s a lot of mobs, whilst having attack speed, RTB’s and BTE up all the time and spamming Pistol Shot. I’m also dispatching whenever it’s available.
Any ideas?
No logs no info. Also icy-veins is bad outside of the utmost basics like raw templates for builds (which they pretty much never update). You have better odds by going onto the rogue discord. Icy Veins has a notoriously bad reputation in the rogue community and most likely among all classes. Not as bad noxxic but still.
On the discord people can go into your logs or you see more information through the FAQ, Pinned messages etc etc.
And your level of gear also adds to it. Stat distribution and lacking Tier sets. No enchants, probably no phials and potions and so on and so forth.
Flurry, rotate bones,use every cd, don’t use sinister if u have proc on pistol shot, use between eyes on 4+ cmb points, use shadow dance and spells from stealth place on action bar out of stealth bcs ambush it will be your main dmg
Plenty of outlaw build, but I think the meta one is the spam ambush build, deals hefty amount of dps too.
Also there are ALOT of misc things you have to do in this expansion to deal good dps.
Enchants : this includes Legs, rings and most importantly weapons which give huge dps boost this expansion
Gems : This includes adding 3 gem slots to your neck piece, gems this expansion are pretty powerful
Consumables, this includes runes for your weapon, food, flasks and if you wanna splurge potions.
Then it comes to a matter of gameplay, as rogue you really and I mean REALLY need to setup and what I mean by setup is having your buffs and SND up and ready before any pull ontop of having full combo points ready.
Your cooldowns come back fairly quickly too and I’m not too sure of this but, you have too pool energy and then vanish / shadow dance to spam ambush.
Shadowdance is one minute cooldown so should be up for every pull, and ambush spam gets me at 60-100k dps in AOE with my undergeared unenchanted rogue.
I thought the same for sub rogue (and for any class for that matter). Turns out to be just a “git gud” issue like timing cooldowns correctly, when to use\attack what etc. Guides are nice, but they are just that - guides. You have to understand why you are using that ability in that moment. Performance ramps up like magic once you do.
And im by no means pro but when i sat down and red trough every word of every ability and why the guide tells me to do this and that really made a difference
Join rogue discord, you get more up to date help from there.
But SS reduces cooldowns for me to procc other skills more quickly?
Had no idea of enchants and gems what’s the best way to easily put them on my gear?
Also with Shadowdance and spamming ambush, it does surprisingly less on Details! than I thought it would, like really bad. Don’t know if I’m proccing it enough, might need a weakaura to show me more clearly when it’s active.
He can use wowhead and look at the mythic + build from there.
Good tip that I read around is that you use every cd in any situation, the mentality of saving up cd’s for big pulls just don’t work on outlaw and leads to dps loss.
But I still agree… for being s tier class mm hunter and dh still out dps you for like 10~20% for some reason.
That got changed. HO rogues fire away the moment a proc appears regardless of CP unless youre in Finisher range. Ambush rotation spam is far too strong.
why will i play anything els then rogue ?
3 spec in top 5 
That’s really nice to know, shame you couldn’t help me at all.
As we said we cant help you without looking at your logs. Outside of what we told you in this thread and to avoid icy-veins and go to the Rogue Discord instead where you will get way more info, including updated one, as well as way more people being able to look into your logs in comparison to the wow forums.
Because the average joe cant read logs. Best example Soulrender with pugs filling the raid to the brim with WW monks because “big pumpers” only to end up getting killed because of no boss damage being present. Each spec has its strengths and weaknesses. Rogues as well. And right now gear is still all over the place very much which also does its thing.
It’s not “we” it was just that individual in particular based off what they wrote. Nothing to do with with logs.
i just casual with ilvl 385 
You need logs to see whats going wrong in your situation. The rest is just meaningless speculation and generic “press x button” or “enchant your gear” (duh).
Go to warcraflogs.com - figure out how to log fights and go do lfr or something and log it - or anything where you do what you consider is your correct rotation for at least 3 min.
u know there is addon for that dont have to use websites that is so oldschool
Outlaw is usually at the top in my experience… not sure what youre doing wrong. But if youre looking up specs on icy veins, thats problem number 1.
Any chance you could elaborate on that? Why would you use BtE with like 1-2cp? Just to buff the crit chance of the following Ambush (assuming you have a proc)?
Ambush does a lot of damage, sure. But in my experience it’s not that much. Is it really worth potentially losing a Greenskin’s Wicker proc?
Their m+ guides/builds focus on heavy aoe builds which is generally a bad idea imo. I’d find a better website for builds and generally spec single target