Paid addons and paid 3rd party features

Edit: Finally got my char back for forums. I took a few minutes now to explain it again, becausr so many people missed the point of this topic. I apologise for all these edits, but I think I either didn’t communicate clearly enough, or my “issue” is complex, so I need to explain it better.

So here is a link for the rules regarding addons:

UI Add-On Development Policy - Guides / UI and Macro - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)

There seems to be a lot of addon developpers, who constantly update their content and work to help the community in an honest way without charging. Maybe they get donations, but they don’t charge.

However, there are other addon developpers, who put their content now behind a pay wall. This is unfair for the addon developpers, who work for free, and it’s also harmful to the rest of the community.

  1. Some people put weakaura and plater profiles behind a twitch sub, which is behind a paywall. (not naming them). I don’t think this should be allowed, because then everyone does it some day, and you’d need a twitch sub for 4 people to get the weakauras you need for special M+ mechanics, or new pvp metas.

  2. Restedxp: You can download the addon, but you have to pay for the content in it.

  3. Raidbots dot com: DPS simulation to choose the best gear. It’s very important, if you wanna play well to sim yourself. Simming is done with an addon to import your vault, your talents and your char. It is a very crucial aspect of playing on a high level. The problem is that people sell a premium version with better simulation options, better features, and a skip for queues., which is used by pretty much every high end player to see, which items to chase after. I’m not sure, if it’s against the rules, but I also worry about the game in this regard.

Final edit to clear it up again, so people understand better:
I was personally confused with their T.O.S. approach, because it seems unclear and foggy considering how impactful some 3rd party services are for the game.

This post is also kind of a worry about the future of addons and 3rd parties. As of right now, simming yourself for DPS is a requirement to play this game on a high level and perform exceptionally well. Using weakauras and plater profiles, which are often very complex and required a lot of work, too. Doing these by yourself is often not reasonable for most players. That’s why I worry that we run into a future, where a bunch of third parties will sell profiles/exports for “free addons” that turn out to be a requirement to play the game on a “competitive level”.

Right now this is thankfully not the case, and the community freely shares their stuff. But what if they start charging in the future? I would understand them, because why would they not do it, if it’s allowed and works? This is my issue with it as of now, and why I want Blizzard to be more specific about their T.O.S.

In my personal view, I want combat addons to be extremely restricted and only influence pure U.I. elements on a superficial level, but I would also feel sad about accessibility, because some people with severe disabilities rely on addons to play the game at all. For those I could imagine Blizzard giving permits to individual players with disabilities, if they send them some sort of certificate, so they play a more mod-supported version and have some other help and improvements.

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The actual weak aura addon is free. You want to copy someone else’s specific set up is different, I know some of them want twitch subs for that etc. The database is full of free WAs you can just download/import.

I have no experience with this addon at all so can’t comment.

You can sim yourself for free the basics work just fine.

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Yeah “basic” is for free, but them putting functions like dungeon gear simming behind premium is against the rules, and imagine big wigs would give you the “visual clues” for free, but then paywall other features. (Hypothetical)

  1. Add-ons must be free of charge.
    All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create “premium” versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on

It’s not against the rules.

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Raidbots is free of charge.

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and on their website: “[Sign up for Raidbots Premium!]”

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You are not excluded from simming. Everyone can sim for free.

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Raidbots isn’t even an addon.

It’s an independent website.

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Simming is free? They have a patreon which allows u to skip the queue.

Weak auras are free, however people can create and design their own weakauras, that isnt apart of the addon.

Ur comparisons arent equal. If a addon paywalled apart of the physical addon itself its a problem. And raidbots isnt a addon its a 3rd party site lmfao.

The addon it can fast teack data from is simcraft, which is not apart of raidbots, its just supported

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“charge for services related to the add-on” - against rules

It seems like people cannot read rules

“Copy/paste the text from the SimulationCraft addon” on their website.

Other addon developpers do an amazing job. Why should the other addon developpers not be allowed to charge? I think they should start doing the exact same, so there are players, who will succeed with premium addons, and players, who will have it harder with free addons. I question, if that is blizzard’s intention, because by allowing this, they cultivate that reality.

Indeed, plus the comparison with

The actual comparison would be, bigwigs gives you the standard noises for free but you can buy packs with different noises.

This isn’t actually the case with bigwigs at all ofc. Just to clarify, in case someone jumps in the conversation midway through. :laughing:

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no one would ever make such an insane in depth addon like restedxp for free. so you basically just want it to not excist.

i have never bought an addon and never plan to, but i can see why some would be behind a pay wall. its IMMENSE work.

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I have NEVER encountered an addon that i HAD to pay for. Some external sites offer a premium version for a fee but all of these features are available without paying.

Are you being paid by the paid addon developers to write this post? :smiley:

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But ur not being charged by a service

And again raidbots is NOT a Addon. Its quite litterally a independent website.

Simcrafts nothing to do with raidbots. Litterally completely different owners.

Simcraft is a addon which takes the entire details from ur character. Which means yes its usuable because it inputs the same data WoW uses when manually finding ur character lol.

But simcraft and raidbots are not a combined addon lol. Their 2 websites that talk to each other at best.

Jumping queues isnt a service lmfao, its a simple right handed out by the developer. The service is the ability to sim ur character which is entirely provided for free.

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Indeed you can even cut out the simc part by using the armory instead on the website but for more relevant info and gear in your bags/vault etc it’s easier to use simc.

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You’re aware that you can just download simulationcraft and sim it yourself instead of using a page like raidbots, yes?

It’s open source software.

https://www.simulationcraft.org/

It will likely cause your computers fans to go ham but you can sim it yourself.

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Addon developers probably get paid via less direct means like ad revenue. No way these people are smart enough to make great stuff but also stupid enough to do it and not earn money.

Ow yes raidbots is free also weakauras is free, u can pay for raidbots but it isnt needed every function is free, also if streamers asks for a sub i mean i can understand tbh. Its called 'support your streamer and not its not against the TOS.

So basically you want them to get money just not from you

With same argument weak auras and dbm should be behind paywall as well