Yup, this. Fing flashbacks to bfa s4 when I was 1,8cr, with my butt being carried by mythic BoD loot and getting rejected from 1,4-6 groups because “lol ret”.
Hpal has more or less always been solid and viable in PvP. This is nothing new.
Retribution is -finally- somewhat viable in PvP. Honestly about time, if you ask me.
Prot paladin is sadly also viable, but in my opinion, no tank spec should ever be viable for arena.
You on the other hand play a Demon Hunter. And you’re complaining about Paladins. Literally get a grip, dude.
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I tried arena once in MoP for real.
Aimed for high ratings.
Kept getting oneshot by stampede hunters despite fully decked on pvp gear.
Yes, ONESHOT.
Every single game had bm hunters just standing behind pillar, pressing stampede (it was bugged and pvp power did nothing) and oneshoting people.
I quit arena permanently when I finally beat double hunter and got like 2 ratings.
I see its the same madness now but with paladins.
My highly rated friend told me stories about prot paladins and decided to go pve instead. Why not pvp like me, get a sub rogue ganksquad and jump on people in AB?
Well if you somehow get over 2k ratings as a dh in sl, you have my claps.
“Somewhat viable”
Thanks for the laugh! Made my day!
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“Somewhat viable”
Yeah xD best comment so far here xD i am lucky that i am reading IT at the morning - whole day will be much better 
Are you going to pretend that Retribution paladins were incredibly popular in PvP during the entirety of BFA? I know that could work in some scenario’s and set-ups, but in comparison to most of the other classes, they were at a serious disadvantage.
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Ok. Let’s not do what people complaining about ret do but in different direction. Yeah, we are perfectly viable, in a very good spot. Let’s not downplay or overexaggerate.
We’re viable at the moment for sure. But these people are pretending as if Retribution Paladins were viable during every expansion and I’m saying that they’re just factually wrong. Idk what’s so funny about the truth, really.
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Lmao. You are not in “a very good spot”. That is downplaying it.
You are in a stupidly-overpowered spot.
It’s getting ridiculous seeing all the overnight phenomena Rets pouring onto the forums to defend their clearly broken spec.
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The paladin is currently almost tied with the priest as the best arena PVP class.
Current representation at 2400+ in 3vs3:
- Paladin 19.1% (674)
- Priest 18.8% (666)
- Mage 11.0% (390)
- Warrior 10.7% (377)
- Shaman 10.3% (363)
- Druid 7.8% (277)
- Rogue 6.4% (227)
- Monk 6.3% (222)
- Warlock 3.2% (114)
- Hunter 2.7% (97)
- Death Knight 2.4% (86)
- Demon Hunter 1.2% (43)
But, this is the distribution of the specs of the paladin in 3vs3:
- Paladin Holy 65.6% (442)
- Paladin Retribution 30.3% (204)
- Paladin Protection 4.2% (28)
So 70% is played as a healer.
and in 2vs2:
- Holy 70.9% (129)
- Paladin Retribution 18.1% (33)
- Paladin Protection 11.0% (20)
And 82% is played as a healer.
The paladin is clearly OP, but it doesn’t seem like the retribution is the problem.
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Representation is not everything.
Regardless, Ret is historically played far less than this, and what you’re seeing right now is an insane anomaly.
You can go look at Xunamate and see that Ret had just below the representation of Arms during the last week, and there are far, far, far, more PvPers playing Warriors than there are Rets. Same goes for Rogues - but somehow Rets have a higher representation than Rogues.
Whilst Holy is extremely strong: so is disc priest. Let’s not sit here and bs around that somehow hpala is the only viable healer.
Yea and week before that we were lower than rogues and even enh. Like I said, ret is in a very good spot, better than in years. But to sit here and claim that ret is stupid-op is disingenuous at best. Burst? No other class has a burst easier to deal with. Maybe fmage for priests, if get purge on combustion. Also, that burst has always been there and has always been that easy to deal with. The only thing that really brings ret up to where it is is the healing part. And no, it’s not close to how good Arms is right now, which hard-counters ret.
I said that it’s tied with disc priest in 3vs3. Holy is better in 2vs2.
I’m not saying it’s the only viable healer, but holy and priest are far above the other healers.
Right now, priest and paladins represent 83% of the healers in 3vs3, shamans another 12% and monk+druid 5%.
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Oh yeah, then we agree, absolutely.
Maybe disagree on what’s viable, since imo every healer but mw (which is big, big meh) is viable rn. Some just perform better.
Source? Lmao.
And even so, it’s not like that’s much of a help. Enhance is also severely overtuned and Rogues should (looking historically at the amount of people playing the entire class Rogue, as compared to the few people playing the spec Ret) be far ahead of you.
The spec Ret having 3x the representation of the class Hunter above 2.4K while the normal case is the opposite, but don’t worry Ivarladin “the arena wizard” knows that Hunters are “in a good spot”, just like Ret.
Ah yes. All other classes have a burst that can both RNG proc (at ~7 sec duration or w/e it is) whenever and also be used on a 2min CD 20sec duration buff. This in combination with a ton of the damage being instant and ranged during the burst.
Clearly, Ret cooldowns are the easiest to deal with. Clearly. Let’s just CC the Ret for 20sec straight, and also every single time he procs RNG wings.
/facepalm
Dude. Just. Shut. Up.
You know nothing about the game and you’re so biased it’s laughable.
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Viable is not exactly balanced. You need to be top 10 in your class to reach 2400+ as a MW, and only top 400 is enough to reach as a priest/paladin healer.
Not to mention that a lot of people who play with weaker classes also have friends at 2400+ with strong classes which play with them.
For a normal person, reaching that rank with a weak class is simply impossible no matter how skilled they are.
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Yea, that’s what I meant with mw - It’s the one healer I didn’t put up as viable.
Yeah, we are a melee spec. Our damage is “instant” - as every other melee. Idiotic comment. Dude. Just. Shut. Up, to quote you.
And no, “a lot of the damage” isn’t ranged. It’s 2 abilities my man. DT, which I 100% agree, is just a big nope with the Ringing Clarity conduit for pvp and Judgment. Ability that does almost no damage, realistically speaking and only servers to buff templar. Please, tell me more of how my spec works and we’ll see how wrong you are, since so far 90% of what you said was factually wrong.
Yes, they are. From all the melee? They absolutely are. Disarm negates all damage we do and prevents us from building HP. No pala will trinket it, since its a wasted trinket. With priest or warrior on enemy team (which are extremely common) bubble turns into medallion on 5min cd. Please, go and look at how people dealt with ret before and you’ll learn how not to eat someone’s burst like dummy.
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Yet many other melees cannot use their attacks at range.
It’s as if you don’t even read.
It’s good that you agree that these abilities are broken. So, that in turn makes Ret Paladin burst broken. Good that you finally agree.
And that’s without the pretty laughable fact that you just “happened” to forget the most characteristic Ret DPS ability.
Hammer of Wrath. Usable during wings. Instant. Ranged.
You don’t even know your own abilities.
Yeah sure. Let’s just completely forget about Feral, Survival, DH and UH DK.
Amongst melees Rets are, and mostly always have always been, the burst that’s the scariest. Everyone tries to run from it (and mostly can’t, because it’s too long and half your stuff is ranged).
Jesus christ. You’re so biased and absolutely clueless.
“Just line it bro”
Because since cata it hits like wet noodles KEKW
Yeah. And easiest to deal with. 
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