Are you ralking about classic?
Im not making a sense argument. Im saying you are going to get rizzed down by both. Might as well expect it.
yes about calssic vanilla and normal vanilla
Those are very differentâŠ
Did you play vanilla wow?
yes, both in 2004 and 2019
at least you admit your insanity.
that remains to be seen.
The problem with paladin in PvP is that they are a one man army, a jack of all trades and strangely master of all.
- They are tanky (Immortal even with bubble)
- They got godlike range damage
- They got good melee damage
- They got mobility.
Remove two from above and they are balanced.
Iâd prefer if they removed range damage and mobility that way paladin stays more true to classic.
Restrict exorcism to undead, make holy shock deal significantly less damage on enemies and add a debuff to bubble/lay on hands, lets call it âExhaustedâ which caps movement speed to 70% for a duration.
We have mobility now ?
We have good range damage?
Not just good, insane ranged burst
As I said, if there are runes and gear for a playstyle it works. There is no such thing as âshould notâ. You can scream X and Y âshould not beâ, but then you should go enjoy Classic Vanilla where you have a point.
A spell thats 20 and one that is 30 yards does not a range class make. Both of which have 3 to 6sec cd, depending on rng. Im not arguing that Shockadin is not oppressive af, im saying its not a good pure range class.
Yes, you do.
the steed rune thing gives you an instant 100% mount for a couple of seconds that you can use while bubbled, which is far superior to i.e ghost wolf or travelform.
mate you have a god damn pet squire that heals you and detects feral druids, rogues and every other stealthed target.
cut the crap and stop pretending paladin somehow lack something other classes have.
you literally have EVERYTHING at this point.
0 weaknesses save for purge/dispell which is the last bastion of balance against paladins, and even that can be nullified with your stupid immortality bubble which has a cooldown of 5 whole minutes.
mate, you have 2 CC abilities which are both on a short cooldown vs. a 5 minute trinket.
stop the cap and cut the crap.
How can you even compare Divine Steed and ghostwolf or travelform. Itâs not the same at all. And why donât you compare it to your wolves ? Because you have the much better tool. That without counting the frost shock on short CD and your totems to slow/root.
Donât pretend paladin has mobility cause itâs by far the worst melee on that aspect. We have no slow, and Divine Steed only allows you to catch up to your target. It disappears when you use any other ability (I canât count the amount of time I pop it and get slowed on the same second: I canât even BoF and end up not catching up to anyone).
No decent paladin plays with squire anymore. Libram of plenty is just too good.
Absolutely not.
We have burst and an immunity as usual.
You still complain about enhance healing being nerfed to the ground but donât mention that paladins got the same nerf.
Not only that but we donât have instant heals like you do. (Iâm comparing Rets to Enhance here)
We have a much crappier mana regen than you (forcing us to play Libram of Plenty and not the Squire) and we still are very susceptible to being kited.
Granted as a Priest you donât have much tools to make distance but facing boomies/mage/hunters is quite frustrating once they realize they shouldnât stand still when you run (or waddle) at them. And there are plenty of those around atm.
Yeah so no weakness except this huge weakness that isnât really an issue since you can get a few seconds of immunity every 5 minutes, right ? Dispell is not just a weakness, itâs a mechanic that completely shuts us down. Especially the seal-stacking spec youâre all crying about: we have to stack 2 seals that are easily dispellable. Iâm not gonna list all the paladinâs abilities you can dispell, itâs pretty much all of them except bubble. You get why itâs necessary to have that mechanic to allow us to reach and hit.
Now youâre gonna cry about our CC ? Come on mate. We face orcs having a very decent racial passive against our only stun and you have a plethora of consumes allowing you to buy-pass them. Itâs nothing compared to rogues and wars (especially the prot ones).
Bubble immunity is big, yeah. Too big maybe, but simply nerfing it will make ret paladins very weak. If you wanna take some of this advantage then make it so we have a better uptime on our targets.
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Imo just ignore him. You cant explain to bad players that they are bad. I did try, its my fault too. Even when I agreed with him on which classes are op, he then went on to qq about which op class was put where on my list EVEN THO I stated that the order did not matter as they all need a nerf. He also spent months saying Shamans are weak and not op, and then just the other day in another topic he said Shamans are actually op. This legend also survives 4 warriors in pvp for ages (his words).
The only 2 classes that he is not complaining about are Shamans (Until his last post) and the one he players, Priests.
Everything else ? Endless complaining.
Knowing that no nerfs will happen due to PvE = pointless to argue. Yes, X and Y is op, and yes you will keep losing to them. There are no devs ever reading Blizz Forums here, even if you wrote the most compelling and swaying argument known to man ? It would change nothing as again, no Devs here.
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I actually wonder if you believe all you wrote or if you are just trolling. Paladin, especially shockadin is completely insane now.
Paladin players are doing what shaman players were doing a few phases ago, denying being OP.
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Ret is not op, yes it can hit very hard, but its also random.
Shockadin on the other hand is op, there is very very little randomness when you are proper geared, there is no holy dmg resistance, you ignore armor and many mitigation mechanics like Parry, block, dodge etc.
Having said all of this, classic players for the most part (in my xp) are too dumb to realize when they are getting attacked by a Ret and when by a Shockadin. The amount of times iv seen Rogues using evasion to dodge my spells, then come and flame me on their second account as âRet is retarded opâ is actually comical.
You see it here too. Its the same as Boomkins being op and people flaming Feral cat and asking for nerfs.
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Youâre the guy who thinks era pvp is more balanced than SoD⊠at least I know youâre a troll without a doubt. And if you cared to read my post I clearly state that I talk from a ret PoV. I donât play Shockadin and frankly I donât see many. I might give it a shot and see what itâs all about but so far I see less shockadin in BG than enhance shamans, which is to say very little.
Yeah youâre right. I keep trying to have a serious conversation with those guys as they like to pretend to have arguments but when you call on their blatant biases they become gnarly.
Potato/Zmug and Zadiztimo are such omegatrolls I just put em all on ignore and put them in their place due to how bad those two are. Literally riding that stunresistence or WoTF racial isnt good enough for em.
Any selfrespecting shaman admits they are top tier.
feel free to ignore me, but iâm not ignoring you.
you spit slander, iâll point it out, and saying paladin has no mobility is objectively false, hence why i am pointing it out.
you paladin andies are not in a position to cry about ANYTHING right now, ok?
is that comprehended?
that is all.
i - the player - am top tier, but my class is not.
and you know what, every self respecting paladin player - which you are not - will admit paladin is busted beyond belief.
like this is an apples to oranges comparison.
there was an argument to be made that perhaps shaman at least had some weaknesses despite their strength in prior phases (which by the way has been brought in line in numerous ways) but you paladin andies are sitting on 10x that killing power ON TOP OF YOUR IMMORTALITY SPELLS and outright denying it despite hundreds of videos literally showcasing paladins clapping plate users, bears and boomkins WITH a 50% attack speed reduction debuff from their bubble, while completely immune to any and all damage except for balefire bolt which no mage uses in pvp.
dude this isnât even up for debate.
your class is broken and needs fixing.