Azortharion (a guide author for hunters on Icy Vein and Wowhead), who for the past 12 months played only BM / MM swaps to Surv for both Raiding and M+. He also tells (after numerous tests) that the Markmanship Dark Ranger is so weak that it is not worth picking in any scenario and that your only way to stay competitive is to play Sentinel, a clunky spec, hated by many (if not most) hunters due to how Lunar Storm works.
Solitary Pop, (a notable PvP youtuber with funny videos) who used to play Markmanship hunter almost exclusively for the past 2 years (even in Darker times for MM) now stops playing hunter ENTIRELY and plays rogue .
Does Blizzard need any further proves (on top of logs and hunters outrage on both EU and US forums) that there is something very WRONG with their 11.0.5 Markmanship “rework” (especially Dark Ranger) in both PvE and PvP?
Before 11.0.5 Dark Ranger was bland and boring, but at least viable in PvP and Single Target. And also 11.0.5 DR redesign greatly improved its visuals and playstyle, the absolutely incompetent, out of the place tuning has made it dead and unplayable.
And should I mention again how much hunters hate playing Sentinel because of Lunar Storm design?
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Blizz got told in the beta, Blizz got told more than once DR was DOA they didnt care, No one understood the Dark Arrow nerf as the issue with DA wasnt the dmg it was a bug all along. We told them at the 11.0.5 changes this was wrong and needed more testing the shammys got there nerf taken back we didnt.
But tbh your yelling into the wind here the last time a blizz dev looked into the hunter sub forum was when the original admin set up the sub forum. Hunters are a meme class and anyone who plays them are a meme, sad but true blizz just dosnt care
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I think Blizzard still consider what’s going on Hunter’s forums albeit it in tiny, statistical proportions. If the forum is full of angry posts about the very same topic (i.e. MM/ BM hunters, especially Dark Rangers are badly undertuned), chances are, this will come to their attention. This is exactly why I make topics like this and why I happily support anyone who create similiar topics.
There have been recent cases when after outrage of Holy Paladins and Shamans their nerfs were reverted, why should hunters be any different?
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I just dinged my hunter 70 and looked over the talent tree, when I first read through it, it looked good and it looked like a lot of killshot procks (black arrow procks). Until I read The Bell Tolls, which repeats the “Above 80%, Below 20%” line that is already in the Black Arrow Tooltip, so it’s a dead talent and I thought, that can’t be right, lets see what the internet has to say about that.
Turns out, yes, it’s a dead talent. Either that, or blizzard forgot to remove it from the baseline Black Arrow spell, at which point one starts to question, why even sepparate it in the first place because honestly, Black Arrow by itself doesnt do much more than Kill shot. In fact, Baseline Killshot deals more instant damage, while Black Arrow takes some of that instant damage and turns it into a DoT which is arguably worse as it’s supposed to be an Execute ability.
Unfortunatly, it seems that’s not the only problem with this talent tree… to quote Misenna on the N/A forum, the Bleak Arrows talent and other talents in this tree do not work when you’re at or near max range as they only go to 40 yards and due to your mastery, your max range goes beyond that.
This also applies to other talents in this tree.
- “Phantom Pain” talent does not deal bonus damage if “Aimed Shot” hits an enemy over 40 yards away
- “Banshee’s Mark” talent does not trigger “A Murder of Crows” if it hits an enemy over 40 yards away
- “Bleak Powder” talent does not allow “Black Arrow” to explode if it hits an enemy over 40 yards away
Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents, big chance I’ll level this hunter to 80 and drop it until I see a hotfix or patch update.
To bad, I still think the idea is great, lots of high damage kill shots (until I read it got nerfed) that spread and auto activate during trueshot, prock murder of crows and deal aoe dmg with trick shots… the idea is great, just gotta improve the implementation.
I’ve just checked all 3 talents you mention (Phantom Pain) on dummies, they all seem to work even at 45 yards range.
It still doesn’t negate the fact that there are other bugs with DR (BA not hitting targets outside of combat e.g.) and that the spec is badly undertuned.
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Both hero specs could be played before 11.0.5.
But after that patch, Marksman just dropped in damage. Not a tiny bit, but a whole 30% lower. Don’t even need misdirect, cause the burst is half of what it used to be.
It’s not just Dark Ranger, also Sentinel build are way behind in AOE. It’s to far behind.
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We’ve waited for the xpac release to play DR. It was bad. Then we waited another 5 weeks for 0.5 patch to fix it. It’s even worse.
Ppl were screaming on forums not to nerf BA since it was op just because it double dipped mastery, wich was fixed in couple of hours. They still nerfed it …
At this point i think the devs gaved up on DR, at least i’ve not seen any hotfixes or incoming patch with bug fixes and BUFFS.
And i also think they are not testing things before send them to live, like how can you send such bugs and undertuned hero talents to live??? DO YOU EVEN PLAY YOUR GAME???
The worse part is that they also butchered Sentinel with this patch. At 628 gs i’m doing the same dmg as a 615 warrior, like wtf bro it’s embarasing …
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My around 2,5 sec cast (yes without rapidfire cast before it takes that long) aimshot does 400K on a PVP dummy with mostly epic PVP gear and roughly over 700K crit… meanwhile a chaosbolt propably shorter cast time does ez 1,5 mil crits if not more.
MM feels so insanely weak these days.
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Bugs, ruined dmg, ignoring and total absence of devs. It’s like playing a f2p game.
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Imagine paying 12 $ A MONTH just to get outdamaged by a pala tank lmao.
PLS DEVS DO SOMETHING !!! MM IS DYING.
Reaaaaal cursed vibes playing my MM hunter atm. Trying to make it work, and it… sort of does with MM as Sentinel, but i’m already being pushed to trying BM for the rest of this season just to keep up in raids. (decently performs in M+ too)
Feelsbad that I don’t want to go SV… melee ain’t really my thing as DPS. But I guess habits die hard, in this case extremely hard.
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Dev 1: What are we going to do about the state of the Hunter class?
Dev 2: Give them a Sylvanas mog, that will placate them.
Dev 1: Are you sure? Shouldn’t we maybe revert the Black Arrow changes?
Dev 2: Nah, it’ll be fine.
It’s not just Dark Ranger.
Sentinel is doing really bad in AoE aswell.
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at least we only need a polearm to switch to survival
I think I’m out. I don’t know what they’ve done to hunters (MM especially) since 11.0.5…my damage has plateaued and gearing doesn’t seem to help and I’m getting tired of Blizzard’s ham fisted attempts at balancing which invariably backfire. I’m getting my backside handed to me by people with 10 or more item levels less (like rogues or druids) which was not happening before this patch - the patch that was supposed to address these problems. Yeah, I think I’m done until Blizzard sort their stuff out.
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