i played bg whole day, and as always idk how im not losing my mind with the amount of hunters that rofl stomp everything
every single expansion, 4-5 hunters x team, for a 6 years, SL was full of them, DF was full of them, and now TWW is full of them.
with 1 spell, they do the same damage of an entire arcane mage rotation, without the risk of being interrupted, AND while also putting you in stun or silence, that class, is a literal cheat code
i have 0, ZERO respect left for anyone playing that class.
Which is an extreme problem. this nerf does not effect you vs casters that much but allows melee to face you. right now no melee can touch you. how about we make it so everytime rets use blessing of freedom, he gets blessing of spellward?
Which melees are currently struggling against evokers?
As you say, ret paladins have freedom speed 30% with anti root + two charges of steed, and if I’m not mistaken a judgement slows down a target allowing you to connect with an mobile enemy, not to mention the blessing of spellwarding which essentially a ret pala is immune to the spellfrost effect of desintigrate and azure strike, on top of that you also have divine shield which can break off from any root effect that landslide creates.
Warriors you have two charges, you got avatar that enables you to set yourself free from any slow effect / root, same effect with commanding shout with the PvP talent and heroic leap and as Arms Warriors have bladestorm that can also be used for situational moments.
Death knights can also break from slow effects along with death advance + two grips that enables to catch an evoker over and they also possess anti-spell shield for a brief period.
The whole idea of devastation is to be a melee counter, hence the toolkit. However, we always have to remain in gap closer range (25y) to deal damage, so melee has a way to push to us. The rest is up to the players how effectively/ineffectively they are utilizing their movement, utility, LOS, defensives, offensives, etc.
At the same time deva suffers to caster cleave similarly to melee, due to range gap. The rest is again, up to the skill level.
Your Evoker nerfs are completely misaimed.
It is the full Hover reset that should be nerfed when casting Deep Breath.
Deep Breath CDR procs should also be nerfed in PvP.
While its worth mentioning that hunter always countered mage in a really ungodly way n you playing against hunters is how most melees feel playing against mage.
That being said i completely agree, i think hunters are disgusting n i only play plate classes. Im so sick of seeing that sissy class hopping around n the moment they get targeted they turtle n sprints off at mach 10 in the opposite direction.
If they´re gonna be allowed to counter all casters this hard atleast let us melees farm them, make them kickable or reintroduce deadzone.
camouflage should break w/e they start spamming actions
interrupt and silence should be a node
turtle and feign should be a node
mage had the same treatment.
mass invi and ginvi break on cast start
ice nova and ring became a node
supernova and db became a node.
and barrier was nerfed by 25%
and temporal from 100% to 60% of dmg taken.
meanwhile, hunter out damage, outcc, outdefensive heavily
its beyond moronic that u have to cast
evocation for 4 seconds
surge for 2
on an already casted DB/Sheep
so that u can hit 700k arcane blasts casted after fake casting
and if he doesn’t interrupt and silences u ? u are forced to trinket or u lose 90% of your telegraphed dmg from totm surge and evocation
u trinke tinto a full stun and 1 rapid fire
rapidfire by itself does more dmg than all the spells ive mentioned, assuming u never get interrupted
in what world this is anything fair
as for the hunter countering mage, alot of other classes “counter” mage you still have for the most part room to play around them
Yes some classes do well into mages, hunters, spriest, locks i guess, shamans etc. but for any class that doesnt do well into them its miserable to play against.
I think arcane is terrible atm mind you but frost is still obnoxious. I dont think frost is op anymore but its still certainly top tier spec. To me frost mage is where S tier should be n all classes currently above that needs nerfs.
Either way hunters annoy me far more because you can barely punish them despite them being backpaddling drooling apes. Im mostly just sick of how they seemingly make up 75% of the BG population every single expansion.