Pathfinder is getting ridiculous

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As we all know, Pathfinder is the gate you need to pass for flight. I understand that flight is an ability that allows players to skip all the content and level design that they worked hard on and so they gate it until you have experienced all of their content (main quest lines on every zone, explorations etc).

My gripe comes from the rep threshold that seems to be attached to this good idea like some kind of malicious growth. By the time I have done all of the quests in all of the areas, experienced the main story line and explored all the regions; geography just becomes a hindrance.

Why must we, after having done all of that, have to grind rep on repetitive quests?

I have done every Pathfinder so far and am almost done with the current one. I can tell you that in all of those, I had to kill the exact same boss over two dozen times.

Force me to experience your content as intended - I get that. But we should not be forced to go through the exact same content multiple times if we do not want to.

A rep gate has always been a thing, I get that too. But if you want to make rep a factor - just make a longer main story line. Let me experience more new stuff, more story, more dialogue, more character and lore development. Let me experience more of your world!

I would gladly jump through all the hoops you want so long as you keep every hoop new and fun. Jumping through hoops for a reward is commonplace in an MMO. But don’t make me jump through the same hoop over a dozen times… it gets stale.

I dont want to just rant about a problem without offering ideas for solutions. I do have some. And you must admit that you do too. Thats why I started this topic. To get my ideas across… not in the echo chamber of my own mind - but out in public, where ideas get polished by other people’s criticisms.

So in short:
Make sure pathfinder is achieved once the creator’s desired content has been experienced ONCE.

If this is too short, then extend the experience. Don’t artificially inflate it with repetition.

Thank you.

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Because your mere existence does not give your the right to get everything in the game. You have to work a bit for it.

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Yes, our mere existence does not give us the right to get everything in the game. But why cant the work we have to do for it be new and refreshing in every step? Why does it have to be recycled content? its a video game. Fun is the priority.

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Yeah, completely agree.

Once I’ve done all the quests, explored all the zones, levelled a profession (maybe), I’ve SEEN you’re lovely content.

Making me run through it to to kill the same mob for the same WQ (get dazed off my mount twice on the way) over and over again just makes me actively resent your content.

It also ties your content to that expansion in a way too. I didn’t play WoD or Legion at the time, I’ve did a couple of zones in each to level to 100. I’m not going back to Draenor or Broken Isles to farm rep and professions just to fly. If I could fly, I’d go back and level professions, do pet battles, old dungeons, hunt treasure/rares etc.

It baffles me why they do this.

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That is a question that can be asked about everything we have in this expansion.

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So you get my point? :slight_smile:

You sound dissatisfied with all of the content rather than just the rep grind. Is that true?

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In Legion I didn’t find it hard at all because I stuck to one main. In BFA I’m alting all over the place so it’s going to be a PITA to accumulate all the requirements on one character. I probably won’t be bothered enough to get it this time

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I sound dissatisfied yes, but flying itself is not one of the reasons for it, as I would remove that blasted thing altogether if I could.

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They do it presumably to cut costs. Repeated content is obviously easier to manufacture than new content.

But we really shouldn’t stand for this. The more people speak up like you just did; the more chance blizzard will take notice :slight_smile:

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I envy your resolve to forgo flying. But for me, and Im sure many others; this is a part of the content that they want.

Ok, you can do without flying - thats honestly awesome and i wish I was in your position. But for empathy’s sake - think of something that you cant go without in the game. Then think of Blizzard ripping that away from you and dangling it in front of you till you repeat their content multiple times in a grindy fashion.

What do you think about that?

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I wasn’t disagreeing with you at all. I’d quite welcome some relaxed changes to it.

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Making the world engaging and desirable to keep coming back to is the solution here, not constantly asking for Blizzard “Let me just skip it.” so they don’t have to bother putting any work in.

It’s the same for levelling and everything in this game actually. Blizzard are empowered by the short-sighted players.

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We were perfectly able to enjoy the world of Warlords of Dreanor, Legion and BfA without flying so far, while in vanilla it was unthinkable and in TBC and WotLK it was only necessary because certain zones were created with flying in mind.

However we lost a bunch of things, that the community is still crying back as a result of the implementation of flying.

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Didnt PF come around because in WoD we weren’t going to get flying? Then they backtracked and put it in as a gated achievement?

I struggle to understand their stance on delaying flying. It didn’t ruin anything when we could buy flying.

Could it be that they’re worried about the economy and botting?

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Yep, that’s true.

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I dont know the origins of PF.

But the important thing to focus on (as far as this topic is concerned) is the fact that it is here - and here to stay.

How do you feel about PF? Do you feel as I do or do you have a different viewpoint on it?

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I really think this "work for it " line is absolute BS. The real reason behind pathfinder is to avoid having to create impressive and large worlds like WOTLK and MOP and fill them with sufficient quests and artwork.

The wanted to remove flying altogether to timesump players and pathfinder was thrown at us by sulky developers who didn’t get their way when the player based rebelled.

The ironic thing is that the 2 million or so subs they lost over not having flying at max level would have paid for the better larger worlds and content.

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The real reason of the PF in this expansion is that they implemented Warmode, which will die the moment PF is out.

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To be honest, with WoD I wouldn’t have minded at all not being able to fly. All the wide open spaces and SMV was just a joy, IMO.

But with BfA I’m praying for it. You can’t walk 3 feet without aggroing something.

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Good riddance.

It’ll only die from those players who don’t enjoy world pvp. Trying to force world pvp on players with this expansion was a crappy move and I hope it backfires tbh. I rolled on a PVE server for a reason.

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