Pay to win is rampant

And I disagree. It always existed, the game changed from being realm bound to being region wide. They also added the ability to trade gold cross realm.

Whether Blizzard sold the token or not, we’d still be here today.

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That’s not against the rules and such a suspension should be appealed.

You disagree that the WoW Token has proliferated buying gold?

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It has long since passed. I’m never 100% certain on what she says, can be trying to navigate a maze getting explanations sometimes :thinking: all I know is she definitely got a two week ban due to 3rd party seller gold.

My point exactly, like the above linking a Reddit post of one guy from a year ago in a specific circumstance pertaining to Classic.

If you’re going to claim that Blizzard takes action against gold buying, then show me the ban waves.

There are none.

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It certainly has made more people do it as I myself completely suck at getting gold the traditional way, the token is a god send for me. I have bought maybe three, ever.

I think the issue of boosting and such is a player made problem though, that people will continue to find ways of doing no matter what is put in place.

Well it was in Classic and some GDKP thing, I didn’t read that part until now, so fair enough. I’d personally blame that on they’re probably too busy and marked it as a low priority since they cut their employment so much.

The Classic incident was curious, because the WoW Token wasn’t enabled, because it was supposed to be a “Classic” experience.
But what then happened was that GDKP runs took off as the third-party gold selling was allowed to blossom, because Blizzard didn’t take any action against it (banning botters every 6 months doesn’t really suffice).
So players started to complain, thus eventually forcing Blizzard to take action by forbidding GDKP runs and handing out suspensions for gold buying, gold selling, and botting.

So they did that. One time. One time they’ve done that in Lord knows how long. And only for that single Classic experience.

With the new Classic servers (and still Retail) they ain’t doing squat.

Not everyone spend money on the game , not everyone is actually capable of wasting that much , a +10 x 4 cost more than a mil gold , so the m+ is very expensive.

Also the fact that you are using “pay to win” for a fast progression meaning shows a lot about how you handle statements , that alone invalidated your whole argument , pay to win is blizzard putting frostmourn on the game shop , so you are forced to buy it to have a big advantage over players , so many people use " pay to win" cause they are incapable of making a good statement.

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Unsure why they are not doing anything, I suppose nobody can really know unless they are an employee.

I find it odd that people demonise those that buy it through legitimate means as “whales” but not those that buy it from 3rd party sites.

I agree that with the WoW token they have opened up the opportunity to “pay to win” (not that I consider it winning but for arguement’s sake) for more people, but the problem existed regardless and the token has more benefits that Puny mentioned earlier.

I firmly believe it is entirely a player issue. The market will exist, token or not. Always has. Perhaps if people weren’t quite as nasty in the game, others wouldn’t feel the need to buy a boost.

It’s pay to progress - easier to find groups once you have the “proof” even if it’s fake.

I dont think its necessarily like that. Its more that people who buy tokens more often than not are open about this, as well they should be because they did nothing wrong.
That results in token haters calling them whales in response.
People who buy gold from rmt are not just going to admit to doing that though, so that same situation as above wont just occur.

There are no waves for gold buying. They just ban.
I even know someone who got banned for getting to char cap (10M) like every month. He had to appeal because he actually made the gold. The response of customerservice was that it was quite an extreme case.

I’d love to know what on earth they spent that on.

For some people gold making is their game :sweat_smile: They dont spend it.

If Blizzard banned on the regular to any notable degree, then there would be a regular degree of players claiming to have been unjustly banned.

There are not.

So to whatever degree Blizzard are taking action, it is so insignificant that it is unnoticeable.

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It is because the bans aren’t unjustly.
Are you really going to complain about getting banned for doing something against the ToS?

oh no i bought gold in an illegal way and got banned! Damn you blizzard!

How many people have reported players ingame for whatever things and got an ingame message from blizzard services the made actions and thank you for making the game a better place?
I know a lot of people of that (me included). But how many messages do we see about people unjustly banned?

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Every time Blizzard does a banwave because players have been exploiting something in the game, a portion of those players always come to the forums and other social media and argue that they were unjustly banned.

If Blizzard were banning players who buy gold from third-party sellers, then we would hear of it.

The fact that we don’t is indicative that bans aren’t really being handed out.

And why would they? From Blizzard’s perspective there’s very little reason to waste employee time on banning some random kid who bought a couple of million gold from a third-party seller.
And players don’t really express an issue about it either. So why would Blizzard bother?

I’m sure they have some flags in the game that spots if obscene amounts of gold gets traded at once, or other dubious transactions take place. And they probably look into those.

But the vast amount of gold buying that takes place just gets to run its course, as all other cheating in the game does.
Because players don’t really mind it, Blizzard don’t really allocate resources toward it. That’s pretty obvious. I mean, those resources were laid off.

That is because those are grey areas. The game provides something and people use that most efficient option. Then you get indeed in the discussion. Were players justly banned for using too many experience potions at the same time for leveling a new char?
Is leveling faster even a thing we care about in retail?

In the end people got banned for it. I think it is fair to have a discussion about those things.

Nobody is going to make a forum topic about illegal buying gold and then complain about being banned. That you do not hear from it is not proving it doesn’t exist.

In BFA or SL they rolled up a whole boosting service with RMT services attached (galliwax community?). So there they got a big group at once. Yes, THAT is what we do hear. But the individual who bought illegal gold and got banned we will never hear of.

It is the same about never hearing about bans of the reports we do individually. But we do get a message in our mailbox when they took action.

That I don’t hear if it proves that it doesn’t exist to a noticable degree.

So reports and individual bans also “exist to a noticable degree”. By your logic. But they actually do.