But what is exactly winning in WoW ? How do you even even win WoW ? WoW is updated so regulary all gear , becomes obsolete so fast. Achievements and arena rating lost their meaning years ago. Especially when they all became account bound.
What about the players who just mount and tmog farm. They feel like winners when a 0.1% mount drops.
If i spent 2 million gold today got to 220+ why would it matter to you ? Why would you see that as being unfair ? Itâs all going to be meaningless when 9.1 hits. Why do you care if someone buy the KSM mount ? How is that winning itâs just a re-skin of the shaman class mount from Legion.
Explain it to me. I got more achieves than most in these forums ? Does that mean iâm winning more than you are ?
Letâs try and define , what is winning in wow or any mmorpg because i donât think you can âwinâ at them.
No, you canât âwinâ at MMOâs but this reeks of bait and being pedantic.
You canât define it because it means different things to different people but at the end of the day its about paying to avoid doing things the âintendedâ way, either through laziness or lack of skill.
And I care if somebody âbuysâ their way to the mount because it implies they are as awesome as me, they arenât. Iâm speshul dammit.
Can you win life? Hard to tell.
Can you buy a wife? Yes.
Can you buy a child? Yes.
Can you buy a degree, a license? Yes.
Can you buy a house instead of building it?
Can you buy happiness?
Can you buy success?
Depending on your society, bypassing the natural requirements of certain achievements is considered cheating.
P2W goes for advantages (provided by the store) you cannot get otherwise, which is why p2w in wow is frankly a moronic concept.
Why? For starters, this is a player-to-player service. Calling it p2w would mean every single auction posted in the AH is p2w, every mage portal or warlock summon is p2w (classic included).
You see this because X streamer/youtuber said it so their mindless sheep come and spam the forums. It really took off when New World said they might add xp boosters to their store.
I was really surprised with that statement. While xp boosters might not be considered p2w itâs certainly much more convenient.
Amazon are a bit like Disney and pride themselves on their customer image so something like this would backfire on them. Amazon treat their employees âless wellâ but they want happy customers, not customers shouting p2w.
I expect a U-turn: thereâs a lot riding on New World for Amazon Game Studios.
Iâve recently bought mage water for 10 gold from this mage in oribos. This water is better than any other water provided by any vendor in the game.
This pay2win mechanic disgusts me beyond belief.
Another bait topic by another character with little to no posts on the forums, on the same topic thatâs been posted several times, by characters with little to no posts on the forums.
Having been for the most part a solo pug player since Visions of Nâzoth patch. I can confirm that you still can ââget thereââ without paying for boosting and the likes to ââWinââ But to many its discouraging⌠Your queing and queing getting declined over and over again. Wiping and failing⌠And then you have these Rich mons just paying their ways to the top. While your getting flamed and going trough a furnace to get it there.
WoW is both I think⌠You can pay your way there if you can afford it. But you can also make it there on your own if your skin is fire resistant enough and you have the time to go trough allot of trail and error to get there.
On the pluss side, Those of us who donât ââPay 2 winââ actually learn how to play and mechanics and our class and all that stuff.
As soon as those who did pay to win* play without their payed support. The difference becomes pretty noticable.
And think about it this way⌠Those of us who didnât pay to get there are self and home made. Self thought on our own! We are the real deal! The ones who payed to get there will always have to lie and make excuses for them selves as to how they got there. And play with that ontop. It will never feel autenthic and deserved to them.
And we know that they know that. And they know that we do in return.
Itâs bait in the lines of âOh people who disagree with me, fight me!â, while at the same time hiding behind a level 10 classic char. Itâs the exact same bait if it were the other way around.
I donât disagree with your opinion, itâs just that this topic pops up several times a week and creating the same topic over and over again, rather than just replying to one of the already existing ones, seems like spam / bait to me.
But itâs not the same topic. OP doesnât screech âX and Y are p2w. Fffffffgg blizzzzzzxzxzxzxz!!!1!1â
In fact OP asks why is it some screech about a non- problem.
Why is it they seek to make their own dragons to slay, where there are plenty on the loose as it is.
Itâs the same topic with a different point of view.
The topic is âIs WoW pay 2 win?â
Some people screech âreee people buy stuff neither I nor they can achieve without buying it.â
Other people screech âreee, buying stuff doesnât make you better at the game and doesnât win you anythingâ
Now if everybody who had a slightly different opinion on something would create a new topic about it, itâd be quite silly, donât you think?
As Iâve said, I even agree with the statements that our dear level 10 night elf friend makes, even though Iâm not sure how theyâd make them, since theyâve clearly only been leveling for 9 levels, and in WoW classic where boosting mostly consists of levelboosting anyway, but itâs still just bait for people who disagree with them.
And if theyâre trying to get a real conversation out of the entire thing, theyâd probably have noticed that the entire thing is very opinionated and emotional, thus very difficult to find anybody that disagreed with the statement that itâs not pay to win, while at the same time was still able to have an active and insightful conversation about it.
I find standard p2w topics tiresome, truth be told. Always the same terms, which nobody understands, always the same ppl screeching blizz ivul, itâs like sjw Twitter posts - only looking for clout and digital backpats. This one is at least a breath of fresh air.