Never had the time or the nerws to raid … raiding is so muth drama now days …
We just had our 5th great vault. How is this tier almost 2 months? We also had 2 weeks christmas holiday in between.
That wasn’t a problem during the past expansions though, there were always a decent amount of players available in any mode.
But for people that don’t really care about achievements or already have them, what is the point of spending 1-4 hours to get nothing in return?
What? Elaborate, cuz it is basically the opposite to what I say.
First of all, your reward is the challenge, fun and achievement progress. This is the GOAL of raiding. The GOAL is to COMPLETE the raid by killing bosses. Every boss is a footstep towards the final 100% clear, whereas loot is a tool, not a reward, stop treating it as such. Do you understand my point? Loot does not add to gameplay, loot doesn’t make the game fun. It is meant to make the fights easier, it provides you with tools to not get oneshot/pass dps-check and on and on.
Second of all, lets take games in general, not only wow. What do you get after completing a single player game? Do you get anything out of it actually, except for fun and feeling good about yourself, if it was difficult and you managed to make it through? Please enlighten me. And you don’t get to say that I can’t compare MMO and Single players, because we’re only talking about them here from Fun point of view. Take pretty much any RPG game with gear progression. Is it fun to PLAY dark souls and defeat bosses or to COLLECT Generic-Sword-#33 from those white souls around the map? Is it fun to PLAY witcher, do the quests and progress the story or to LOOT yet another yellow silver sword with slighlty different affixes? I can go on and on, but there’s only one point.
Loot is not a reward, it’s a tool you can obtain. The fun of the gameplay is reward.
Personally… I don’t like that raid…
Like seriously… Denathrius is played like a joke all around… From the start i saw him in campaign i was laughing… “i’m bad…but i am classy” … like the next episode of my style rocks or something…
And don’t get me wrong… loot etc. have value in a game like wow… but seriously… if the bad guy is not respected …yy… it sucks.
I mean Thrym back there wasn’t even a boss… and you still had to change pants when you saw him.
Also there are other factors…
Like… You know people used to play WoW because it wasn’t so demanding in hardware. While i don’t have any problem (thank god) , i know a lot of people that didn’t have any at the start of the expansion and suddenly things went to hell…
I don’t know what happened…but i know if you are about to get nerdrage because of various fps and hardware problems … you won’t go raiding… that’s for sure…
And the other thing is the community… way too much toxicity around… and surely i don’t give a fk or 2… because i play 15 years or so…wanna trash talk? That’s fun… can do it all day…but… i don’t think that everyone is in the mood because you had a bad day…
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Not really, maybe in the last patch.
I’ve not tried pugging particularly but I’m in a guild so we raid twice a week.
Actualy no becouse most people play to see content and get gear. Content is cosumed in LFR/LFG and gear is pernamently invalidated so motivation to play game is almost 0. Play WoW for challenge, fun and achievement progress in world with games like League of Legends, CS:GO and all other superior compettive and challenging games is total nonsense.
This is crazy, been in a queue for the past 10 minutes for fresh heroic with tank and healer but not a single person has signed up. It’s prime time, is alliance dead or something?
Do raid for what ? For that 1% chanche of getting gear ?
a) hc raids are really chalenging this tier
b) people realised pvp is the best gearing option (you can get like 3300 cp by now so its instant weapon when you have neough cp) and they are spamming arenas for ratings and upgrades.
I play for gear and when I have the gear I play for fun, the gearing process this expansion is exhausting.
Well it’s way harder than Nyalotha. Wiping on 2nd boss in pug.
i just have to ask one question, why are ppl saying that other will as for aotc for normal when lfr kills dont count to the normal cn achievement?
I drop raiding after i killed n’zoth on HC i was burned out after i never killed more then half of mythic bosses.
I put lot of work into my preparation i was spaming islands,dungeons and pvp for essence it was not worth my time so that’s killed my love for raiding
In SL i thought to myself man you don’t need to raid you can just do m+
but i was wrong cause they killed that too for me mainly because dungeons are boring and there is 0-2 piece of gear after you run 1 dungeon
only good thing is great vault but that’s timegated gearing progress
so now im just casualy pvping and i have fun
Casual people need loot.They need reward.They don’t care about RIO score or pushin high keys
rewards are essential to this game
So if you going into raid and you want loot and after 5 bosses you only see others gearing themself do you really think you will play this game more ? i think not.You will be demoralized…blizzard is tryin to slow the game but people don’t want that 
peple want loot and they always wanted
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