Why do people care so much about ahead of the curve in pugs? The achievement is near worthless because of how easy it is boosted. I watched my girlfriend buy a boost last night to get the mount, and she didn’t have to do anything besides tag the boss and jump off the room for the achievement and mount.
But for some reason the games pugging community values this achievement over everything to get invite lmao?
Here’s me 11/11 normal, and 7/11 heroic and full set of 270+ gear, but can’t get invited to any lobbies that are at Anduin-Jailer because the raid lead would rather invite a boosted 1/11 andie to the raid because they linked an achievement.
I was able to get ahead of curve legit in 8.3 by sheer miracle of being invited, but I might just buy a boost this season so I can stop caring about the raid and play on some alts.
It’s real sad. Yeah, I am quite annoyed right now if you couldn’t tell.
Edit:
I have bought a boost myself now. Probably will do so until cross-realm guilds become a thing.
Farming gold to get a boost beats spending hours in group finder trying to be let in by gatekeepers.
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I agree with you, aotc is worthless, that’s why you check their parses, if it’s 5% then you don’t invite them.
But in my eyes, somebody boosting has the same value as somebody who hasn’t done the fight, it’s a risk not worth taking, happier to just wait for somebody who knows what they are doing.
Luckily I’ve not had to pug heroic.
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People gatekeep in every kind of content on WoW.
If you don’t have rating in PvP or Mythic+…no invites for you.
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Luckily I’ve not had to pug heroic.
Quite jealous of you 
. My guild is still progressing on normal Jailer which is why i’m having to pug it currently.
AOTC is the only way of checking if applicants “know the fight” by proving that they’ve seen it already. It’s not perfect, but it highlights how boosting is slowly killing the raid scene.
If you can’t get curve legit, then you shouldn’t have the rewards that come with it.
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and this is why i don’t guild raid.
For some reason the people that are supposed to be “Good” are often worse than PuGs.
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People who do want to get it legit are being punished for not boosting it though.
I can honestly see why so many people don’t bother to grind it out anymore. Why spend hours of your spare time applying to group after group and getting declined every time when you could just farm 100k gold and buy a run that takes 15 minutes and be done with it.
The point of asking curve is to ensure people have at least seen the fight. Most pugs don’t want to do progression - in fact, most people in pugs seem to be looking to get carried by other people in the pug.
While checking parses is an objectively better way to gatekeep, it still doesn’t solve the problem that it’s legit tough to get the raid done in pugs. The gatekeeping won’t go away - if it’s not aotc, it will be parses.
This is of course, because pugging isn’t viable for endgame and the dungeon/group finder should be removed so people stop falling for the lie that it is.
Most guilds won’t let you pug a progression fight anyway. Pugging for me is something to be done if you need something from the raid, and no-one in your group is running it. (ie post guild completion)
I maintain that punishing boosters (even gold ones) with bans is a solution to this problem.
Yep! Pugging is viable for people who want to farm the raid, they know the fights and can just blast even without a raid leader.
Not gonna work, mate. Boosting is not the problem people thing it is, and if it is ever removed, you’ll see none of these problems will be solved. What OP is complaining about is not really the core problem. The core problem is that people want to pug endgame progression and that simply will never be viable.
Without boosting people will still be unable to get into raids without aotc. Pugging will instead be reserved for people with guilds. In fact, boosting is a decent solution to many of the problems with pugs.
The solution isn’t to punish boosters, it is to remove pugging.
OK, but most pugs are demanding curve for normal runs.
not going to happen. Blizz is getting to much money from selling wow tokens.
What about the dead realms (like mine) where guilds are few and far to come by? If guilds weren’t limited to realms/linked realms then sure. Remove pugging.
Guilds should be cross faction and cross realm, communities are a failed experiment, however one thing we could take from them and implement into guilds is to make guilds cross faction and cross realm.
It’s not. The real solution is to get rid of the WoW token. Gold boosting and gdkp have depleted the quality of the pug community. Normal pugs were very common pre-WoW token and they were my preferred way to gear alts. Nowadays every good raider with a decent guild doesn’t join pugs anymore. They all form guild boosting teams to make gold.
That combined with the fact that raids have increasingly been designed around add-ons and world first races has killed the normal pug community almost entirely. Just look at the raid completion percentages of Sepulcher. It’s just to hard of raid for 90% of WoW players
THE RWF needs to be a totally seperate thing on a special esports realm, like mdi is.
This way the raids the “regular” people face can be very different, and unaffected by this realm.
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Old boss fights were incredibly easy, mechanically simple. The reason why people now want curve is because so many of the bosses have mechanics where if 1 (one) person messes up, it’s a wipe. One person didn’t know one Anduin mechanic? Wipe. Oh, another didn’t know another mechanic? Wipe again. The mechanics themselves these days are much, much more abstract than they used to be.
Also, without the dungeon finder, you get higher quality pugs. Both it and the WoW token were added in Wrath, so what you’re talking about is TBC pugging and I agree - pugging without the dungeon finder is actually viable - because it is more social.
So you have simpler bosses + encouraging socialization = higher quality pugs.
Also the game being overall slower made it viable to type while fighting. Most people these days can’t type without losing too much DPS, and that’s a huge problem for pugs because nobody wants to use WoW’s voice chat (which gets the job done. Not great, not bad, it just works),
To even imply boosting wasn’t a thing back then, or that WoW gold selling wasn’t big enough that Goldman Sachs invested $60 million into that market in 2006 is simply naive.
But they did that back then as well. Except they didn’t just make gold, they were selling their services for real money. Just like now. Boosting is not the problem. Boosting predates WoW, it has been a feature in every single MMO that has ever existed. The token is not the problem either.
Time to save up some gold, buy a token and move realms, mate. Dead realms are not viable.
Warcraftlogs parses are a better way. You get to see that the person actually did the fight, that they have some degree of familiarity with their class, and that they did not just get boosted. Even if they did not kill the endboss since no one gave them a chance, good performance in other fights will often mean they learn quickly. I’ll look at logs over achievements if I make a pug. And a 10/11 person with purple logs will be preferable to a person who got a grey parse on the endboss any time. Usually had a good experience inviting people this way.
The WoW token was added in WoD was it not? I don’t remember a token in wrath.
Gold buying happened back then, but you usually got a ban if you engage in it.
I agree that the token has amplified the amount of boosting, but if anything it just shows how boosting is an issue.
I found the difficulty in HC to be fine, but that’s my opinion.
I raid with a guild so I can mostly avoid Pugging. Barely touched pugging this tier.
Just ask someone to link curve and link it to the group leader. Often they’re so intelligent that they don’t even see it’s not yours and invite regardless XD
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