TLDR: you’re treating a game like a job, that’s just not why most of us games.
Because that’s the path progression laid out to us by the game? Questing/Dungeon/Crafted Blues are literally what the game expects the player to have on them at the time they start doing Heroics. Crafted Epics are made using drop from Heroics and are for the most part on par with the dungeon drops.
Now of course the point you should make is that Wrath Heroics are easy. Laughably so. Even in questing Blues they posed little to no challenge. And to add insult to injury they were accompanied by similarly easy Raid Tier.
And this is why HC+ does not fit there. It’s an instance taking about as long as a wing of Naxxramas if you have better gear than what you’d need for Naxx10 and drops less good gear than aftermentioned wing of Naxxramas. And to make things worse 10 man raids that are easier to do efficiently with worse gear now drop better loot. If Blizzard didn’t bribe high end players with extra Emblems the content would be dead on arrival.
Some people enjoy them, and you are not forced to do h+… Stop cry, its getting pathetic.
This sentiment would’ve been true had they not added 3 extra current emblems from H+.
But they had to entice us to do their crappy new concept.
Blizzard is still trying to force us to play the game they want us to play it which is arguable the reason the game went to crap in Cataclysm.
Yeeeeeah let’s pretend they don’t drop more EoCs than weekly clear of Ulduar why not.
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TLDR I want 5ppl content to be relevant. They did it with MoP Challenge mode gold and I am eager to play MoP “Classic” again. The gear influence there was minimal unlike later mage tower, that I enjoyed too to an extend.
So in your definiton if there is any higher lvl than you in the group you get carried automatically? Wrath heroics were designed for newly dinged level 80’s, no ah items, no pre raid bis stuff, none. The final boss of the dungeon drops blue and epic ilvl 200 loot, which should be an upgrade for people running it.
So no, once again you’re very elitist (about hc’s no less…) and wrong to boot.
How arrogant can you be? Privileged? Dude you need help. If the newly dinged 80 can Q up for the dungeon he should be there. I wanna bet all my gold and gear one of the first things you did when you dinged 80 in Wrath Classic was doing world tours of all hc’s, like everyone did, making you a hypocrite.
Next thing you’re gonna say that you feel right for kicking non- heirloom lowbies in 1-79 dungeons because the loomed players ‘carry’ the rest. Get a grip.
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Are you serious right now?
The heroic dungeons are build on players that dinged fresh. Its easy af. You cant fail. Most of the players are returning retail players where they know the dungeon from timewalking or lvling up or ps players
If you are so scared to carry players, just dont queue for it. Its completely optional. You could still go lfg and create your own superior group.
Your problem doesnt take the gear-up problem away. People want to do hc dungeons but are declined because its all about heroic + now.
Absolutely bs. Even if some ppl have gear, its still not a guarantee that the undergeared are underperforming.
Besides… leeching is just that someone is just standing there, doing auto attacks or just being idle. If a person does 2/3k dps less, its not leeching.
What effort are you talking about? The same effort you took with hc dungeons while they were a joke? Surprise, there are almost no hc dungeons but hc+.
Imagine you have a fresh dinged char now and need to gear up. You have 5k gold but want to spend it on cold flying instead which is understandable. How does that person need to gear up in some way?
If you think hc+ is challenging right now, then you played with 4/5 leechers( as you say) and are attached to it somehow. So why is the lfd a problem for you again?
The server has bled out most of the people. I stayed behind with my main, camping a mount lost in time. Hours and hours flying around, or sitting at one of it’s spawn points.
Still more fun than playing any h+ dungeon.
It’s not. It’s never been. It will never be in Classic.
If you want relevant 5 man content play flipping retail and do mythics.
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But, that’s one of the reasons WOTLK was so popular and it had more subs than the game will ever again see. H+ is not an authentic experience. In fact, private servers have a more authentic experience, but I want to play here, is it so hard for them to put a survey INGAME and ask the active players what they want. I mean you have script that automatically bans people for nothing, just because someone from a big guild decided that way. They just don’t care. Private servers literally have faster and more adequate support, but you all know there is a risk there…
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…If pirvate servers are better then why do you want to play here?
Private servers also often have corrupt GMs. Normally I’d say that’s better than Blizzard’s zero GMs, but I remember my interactions with the GMs of Fenix’s Emerald Dream; no thanks. I’ll take the robo-GMs over that crap.
And WoTLK wasn’t popular because of its dungeons. It was popular because classes are fun and the raid content is accessible (much more so than Vanilla and TBC’s attunement-locked content). It was also popular because W3 was popular and WoTLK wraps up the story of TFT.
It can be complained about, but just a bit. For example, DT first boss, healing himself to full, or endless cocoons in Azjol.
Who do you even play with, if they whine about H+ difficulty? ;D
Gotta socialize, bro, find a guild or smth. This is whining about whining, basically.
This exactly…
I main tank for idk how long. Got good enough gear (3,7k gs imho should be enough). Someone asks me to join up. I say, sure. They ask what my GS is. I whisper back my gs. They just stop whispering. I whisper back what the hold up is… Just no reaction.
Yeah man… idk… LFG tool is way more social than RDF.
TL;DR:
H+ is a** 
for other reasons than it ‘being to difficult’. Time to add RDF.
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Actually I would put the argument forward that H+ is giving the full authentic WoTLK experience.
The amount of people complaining on the forums on how GS is negatively affecting their experience to join a pug group is precisely in line with how it went down in original wrath. I would also argue that the catch-up mechanics are exactly in line with how original Wrath was designed, fun classes and highly accessible raiding content.
It’s the players that are the issue, not the tools that Blizzard gave you.
I’m a 5041 GS disc priest and when I do my daily I either make a guild group or fill it with randoms when I can’t be arsed, the only requirement I have for HC+ is that people have two braincells and know mechanics. That’s it.
Make your own group, either with guildies or with random people.
they didnt even separate hc and hc+ …
I am trying to think about a way how to lampoon the hell out of this … but I think it would be wasted effort …
Whos gonna have bigger chance at making group, bis healer or pre-naxx dps ? …
Is that simple enough ? …
also sheesh this much free ammo
I dont have issues with pug since I dont do pugs …
They added the option to change your heroic dungeon into a heroic + dungeon by interacting with a sphere at the start of the dungeon. It’s a smart addition to keep people engaged in the content and also has room to add higher difficulties, I’m pretty sure people understand that after Protocol Alpha we’ll get Beta which drops 10m Ulduar loot and Delta which drops Call of the Crusade 10m.
It’s a smart way to keep people invested and it doesn’t change the core feeling of Wrath.
My point was that while some people are preoccupied with the perception that a high gear score is everything I invite people to my runs regardless of their gearscore.
I’m guessing you glanced over that small detail in my post? Happens to the best of us. 
I meant in LFG …
And no I think that I didnt miss the point that BiS HEALER can choose whoever he runs with, but if you are “undergeared” and dps, everyone will leave the moment they see you are not going to carry them …
You mean the system where you can personalize what you are looking for by adding a message, like for example; “Priest 5042 GS LF H+” or “H+, LFG”?
I literally said that I do not choose who to run with, I add whoever replies to my message in LFG. You must have reading comprehension problems.
do you think anyone would reply to you if you had 3500gs ?
I dont know how simpler I have to put it …