[Personal opinion] Privacy issues

Small intro

This is a topic that’s been sometimes brought up on other forums & as here. I’d like to raise it up again as a general concern over this matter. We all are aware how Blizzard tends to adapt WoW to modern trends via game mechanics, design and narrative or how it’s delivered. But the most important aspect of the game - social aspect, has been neglected for years.

We still can only use 10 slots for ranks in the guilds. Guild tabards have not been touched ever since vanilla. And communications via chats are ‘still there’. (Like, you can see people via a list who sit in trade chat or general chat).

However, there are two things that can be generally exploited to expose your alts. The easy way and the more tedious way.

Easy way:
PvP check aka Data Share is on.

Tedious way:
Pets comparison.


Easy way:
Surprisingly enough, from the amount of people that has whispered me before, not many are aware about Data Share feature. What’s even more annoying, is that it’s turned on by default and you’re not even being informed about it unless you go into your Bnet options and head to Privacy category.

This option provides API data of your characters (alts included). It can be used for good things such as allow mythic leaders or raid leaders or pvp leaders to check your stats or for nefarious ways (e.g harassment).

Solution: While you can manually turn it off, main issue here lies in the lack of awareness about it to begin with. When you launch your Bnet, let a 1-time pop up window with a notice that asks you about this option and if you want to enable it or disable it & imo this feature also should be disabled by default.


Tedious way:
I call it tedious, because it takes more time & effort unless you automatize it by writing a custom addon. However. You simply check character’s armory for pets and enter paranoid mode. “This person wants to join my guild? Need to check them and make sure it’s not a troublemaker/drama generator person, who’s pets I know.” basically.

Or you can use an addon (write it yourself) that creates a database and uses multiple ways to ‘scan’ characters. Either via world chats by sitting in capital cities or by hovering your mouse over ‘targets of interest’. Then these characters are checked via armory link, pets names are gathered and added into your database and you simply sort it out via whatever means.

Solution: It’s pretty much the same as with the first exploit. Let people either A) De-assign pets. (I honestly have no clue why we can’t do this) or B) Allow us to decide whenever we want to hide this information or not.


Given previous responses, I’ll answer a few statements pre-maturely.

S: But I’m playing the game and never had any issues.
A: Yes. And that’s fine. But you don’t have any issues until suddenly you do. And then it’s a headache.

S: These can be used to determine if you want to filter bad people from joining your guild or avoid them.
A: Also true. But it’s a stick with both ends.

As some know, it doesn’t take much to begin harass someone and by using these methods, it only makes things easier. Others prefer to play their alts and keep them / yourself oocly, strictly separate. You don’t want to be bothered by others if you play on another alt. And the /ignore function is not a panacea against everything either. There are other workaround ways.

I’m more than sure that it doesn’t require a Master degree in order to implement a simply feature that simply informs you & allows you to decide if you want to share data about yourself or not.

Respect your privacy. Because it’s commodity is in shortage.

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I’ve seen you in stormwind and what you went through. I have dealt with stalkers in the past, so I know how real and violating it feels. I am so incredibly sorry you’ve been through what you have and I hope this post doesn’t indicate that things have not stopped for you.

Even disregarding abuse and harassment, I agree it feels like it should be a basic option to allow us to hide our pets, we as customers should be able to control what information of our accounts is accessible. I also heavily agree that Blizzard needs to be more transparent on what privacy features are available to us so we can properly use them. I had no idea my data was already being shared to third party sites let alone that I could disable it until I saw your trp.

It has always been bizarre to me that the pets have no privacy options

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This post made me cringe.

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that’s so badass !

Anyway.

Yeah, it’s nearly impossible to really keep your character list private as it stands. I think they’d be unable to really implement anything that could solve this, as achievement checking would still be a thing due to account-wide special achievements.

Best way would be to get rid of this absolutely abhorrent design of posting on the forums with characters and replace it with Battletags like every other Blizzard forum, thus delinking the Armory profile from this side of their domain. Afterwards add an option to make your Armory page private, allowing you to hide it from every parser and scanner page that relies on it.

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Damn Berach with another steamer

Anyway it’s wild how people will just GLUE to others obsessively and track every single move, harass others and those who RP with their target.

This, god this would be a VERY welcome addition.

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I’d open a window but I’m not sure he could cope with air that isn’t riddled with mildew.

It’s honestly weird that it’s not already an option.

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I dunno, the existence of at least the tedious way, pet checking, has spared me and others a lot of dealing with bad actors with malicious intent. I’d assume that you too, Tenebres, would likely prefer at least being able to confirm that you aren’t inviting your stalker into your own personal circles under the guise of some fresh faced recruit. It’s handy to at least be able to confirm reasonable suspicion.

That said, yes, it getting fully automated is a problem.

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Don’t even acknowledge it. Just whack it on ignore and report any issues.

As for the privacy thing, ignore should be account wide, and make those you put on the list invisible to you. (Excluding instanced things, because of reasons)

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iirc that WAS something they added, but like /who it broke after a single patch or it just works sometimes and then doesn’t other times.

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This game’s pivacy issues are a threat to a good number of people who’d rather be left the hell alone and it’s a continuous embarrassment that it’s not only ignored but that we as players have had to figure all this out.

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I completely get your point and agree it has spared trouble for myself personally, but in the day and age we are in where most guilds have their own discords, it is a lot easier than ever to vibe check new entrants. I think atleast giving the option for guilds to personally decide if their guild requires public pet data to join, or if they personally want to spend the time to determine someones moral value, is the best bet. I think letting everyone have the option is best of both worlds

The ideal situation would simply be for Blizzard to take online stalking and harassment more seriously.

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I mean yeah ideally they would just actually moderate the community and we wouldn’t have to think up a heap of loops to jump through.

Not really sure I agree. A wackjob can easily just spend an afternoon making 20 discord alts to avoid being recognized (I’ve had the displeasure of meeting this kind), costs them 0 buckaroos. Making 20 wow accounts is gonna be a lot more effort and expense.

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True. But my stalker owns multiple accounts and, at the end of the day, can simply not assign battle pets to begin with.

Aa much as this option can be used for good ways, it can also be used for nefarious ones. We, as GMs, can ask a candidate to either show their pets to us or something like that. After all, its them who join our community.

But we certainly should be made aware about such options and be allowed to decide what we want to share or not. Because this can be easily exploited and not punished by, because it technically doesnt “break tos”.

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p sure you’re still able to see all the pets they have, not just the assigned ones (and if someone manages to have absolutely 0 pets that also tells one a thing or two)

True, though adding hoops to joining a community seldom has a healthy effect.

For sure agree, though ideally none of this would even be necessary and Blizz would just do basic moderation.

Alas :pensive:

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This one is easy to change, though? I mean, if you do not wish to be checked or compared, you make an account and block your character connections. Simple.

As for the pet comparison, we cannot do much with that for it is considered innocent data on the armory, nothing of harm in it unless someone truly wish to check tons of characters to compare them.

Its easy to change but as ive said, main issue is that people dont even know about this option and that its turned on by default.

That is something to take up with PvP-Checker websites.

Third party data collection is a toggle in your Battle.net account management page that is toggled on by default, which is the reason why plenty a player has their raiding, PVP, and alt logs recorded by third party websites that had not asked for consent from the player to do so beforehand.

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I know, except, if you disable it as default, then there would be the other problem of rankings, services, import/export, as it is under the same function of Game Data sharing service and you’ll hit the other side of people not knowing how to enable it like some don’t know how to disable it now?