Skill issue intensifies.
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This, i agree with the OP 100%, pala needs huge nerfs, you can see Arkuvian crying on the NA forums that it isn’t op when he is displaying how a pala can 1v5 all R13 ppl, crazy how dumb pala’s are to show this to us then tell us nooo… thats not op no nerfs needed!
Right XD i swear these guys are gonna kill me from laughter some day!
Armor means nothing against paladins
Yeah because blizz was on drugs to make them deal melee holy dmg that doesn’t even have a natural ressistance in the game, and the only way to block some is if you drank a holy prot pot that saves you from 500 holy dmg… Idiot design ngl, to give 1 class the unbloackable un ressistable type of dmg a huge burst with 8 hits in 1global, smoking crack much blizz?
They just don’t make changes anymore with PvP in mind at all. How it goes is like this:
- They make a change for PvE.
- It massively affects PvP to the point that something is broken.
- It takes a while for them to get the feedback and realize PvP servers exist and that they have to do something about their now broken mess or people on those servers will go bananas since they have to inevitably deal with it in the open world.
- Slap the easiest, most low effort, band-aid fix and call it a day.
What should happen to fix this mess is to disable all shoulder enchants for all classes in PvP. PvP was a mess enough as it was, it didn’t need more variables - with all the set bonuses to make it worse.
Paladins needed a nerf since phase 1. They actually got buffed with all their damage now being holy magical damage. Only nerf that I recall is the divine shield one and that was in phase 5/6…
Goes to show you where blizzard’s priorities lie with this class and the subsequent huge population growth of paladin players over the course of SOD.
Anyone trying to defend this class is manipulative and lacking in overall awareness.
Paladins need to be nerfed, but will that happen in the next 4-5 months (sods end of life) given the previous behaviour of blizzard Devs? I doubt it…
I doubt it. And paladin hasn’t been OP since p1 you gotta stop the hyperbole.
We’ve had quite a few nerf, like the T2.5 4p not usable with 1hander.
Remove T1 6p bonus for all I care and give us dispell protection instead I’ll be happy with that.
Quite literally posts since phase 1 about how strong paladin is (avengers shield?). A nerf to a set bonus not working with a 1h is hardly game breaking. I’d be happy with dispell resist and t1 6 set being removed as well as reversing the source of your damage away from magical holy to physical.
Please, if you really played SoD since P1 don’t pretend paladin was OP in the early phases.
It’s no wonder horde thanks to shamans especially were 90% winrate in BG up till now.
I don’t like one shot meta so I get that paladins deserve a nerf on their specific seal stacking mechanic - in PvP at least cause nerfing it in PvE will kill the class - EVEN THOUGH they have to pay a hefty price by running 8/8 T2 pieces as a melee in PvP and you get deleted real fast without bubble.
Most meta classes atm are ranged and can ditch as much damage while being 30 to 40y away.
Bubble has been nerfed already so don’t count on it being nerfed again.
You def don’t know the class if you think so. Playing ret 1h in PvP with the fast 1hander and sending exo blasts every couple of GCD was real fun. Not only did you have damage, you also had a LOT of sustain.
As to the damage being physical it makes no sense. Paladins already pay a hefty price in terms of uptime onto their targets. No slow, barely a move speed etc… We have to be able to burst because it’s the class mechanic. You can’t think of a ret pal the same way you think of a rogue or a war. We simply don’t have the same tools therefore we can’t be all physical damage.
Nearly a year on and same old Ret issues.
I rest my case.
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Just below your quote.
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Getting one shot by paladin in 1 HoJ is just absurd. Or they use immunity for me to run around like a headless chicken just to slowly die. Completely 0 counterplay to this. Class is beyond broken and im sure im not the only one feeling this way
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Nearly a year on and same old Ret issues.
I rest my case.
100% ^ this.
You can kite then or you dodge 50% of the damage or stun the stun with evasion and its extremely low CD.
And then Paladins dmg is Holy dmg, same as HoJ stun, so evasion does 0.
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There are numerous posts stating the same thing about Ret, not just that one, since p1. And yes they are in the same league as hunters, shaman, Boomie. I’ve played since sods opening day. I’ve played wow since 2004. I’ve raided very high end with server firsts in OG Vanilla all the way through to Cata. I think I have the pre requisite knowledge to know what I’m talking about.
The person responding to that forum post is also wrong as rogues had very little defensive tools against paladin. Two of which can be countered by Ret easily (vanish with aoe and evasion is useless Vs magical damage, which is what paladin damage is). Sprint sure can be used to reset but in p1 the paladin can simply reset themselves with bubble to get out of combat, then drink/eat and wait for HoJ cd to come back, which is what happened every time. They would frequently just go sword and board, and kill you with avengers shield+crusader striker+divine storm. As a rogue there is little counter to this at lvl 25.
And the reason your 2.5 set got nerfed was to stop you fishing for exo procs at an enhanced rate which would lead you to high damage/high sustain. I.e very overpowered hence the nerf…
Paladins need a nerf, got deleted in prot gear by a prot paladin in 3 seconds during a hoj. lmao
Felt like im paper, went from 7k to 0
Paladins talking about it being a skill issue losing to them need their heads checked
Yep, all that nice armor… running around with 60% phys dmg reduse dosent work against paladins and their sweet holy dmg.
Having such burst every 5 sec is perfectly fine btw
It’s only with the bonus T2 that judgement becomes a 3 sec CD. Before it was 8 sec and evasion allows you to doge hit + seal. You only had judgement and exo (on fairly long cd, not like what we have now with art of war changes). Avengers shield was a 30 sec. CD, it’s been reduced to 15 sec in P4 I think.
That’s where I doubt your knowledge of the game. As a ret you have no way to sit and drink or reset with a bubble. Once the rogue is out of combat he’ll sap you and eat/bandage in front of you but never the other way around.
I know but let’s not say we didn’t get nerfed these previous phases then.
Another one was art of war in P3 that had our auto crit fully reset exo CD. Now it’s -2 sec CD by crit.
I think you’re getting confused with now Vs then. I’m specifically talking about p1 there to counter your lazy quote of some guy saying rogues in p1 have it easy Vs paladin. In p1 paladins did reset quite a lot actually, as rogues would sprint away when bubbled and would have to get at least 30yrds away to restealth without getting hit. At lvl 25 speed in stealth was incredibly slow, meaning that the pala would sit, wait to get out of combat and eat and drink. All the while a rogue would have to get back in melee to sap… we didn’t have shadow step then and only Shadow strike which didn’t allow you to re sap. Paladins don’t reset now no, because why would you when you can global someone instead?
If you played vanilla to any good degree, you would know that resetting was the crux of PvP, especially for rogues. Watch any vanilla rogue Vs paladin and you will see several resets. Sod was no different in phase 1, until the absurd power creep set in and the meta was purely who can win with the least gcds spent.
Crusader strike is magical, divine storm is magical, avengers shield is magical and you guessed it, exorcism is magical. Evasion is meaningless.
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they don’t get that we got det and evasion which bearly works agins’t warr xd, its only a melee phys dmg chance to dodge, but they dont get that they deal 8k holy dmg in 1 auto…
Let’s hope blizz atleast pretends to do their job, by reading atleast 1 post 
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