How do you even know what “most wow players” look for in the game? I know a lot of people who play WoW for the competitive aspect of it and pretty much don’t care about anything else.
It just sounds like mythic raiding is not for you. There is no good reason to remove it just because you won’t/can’t do it.
Remove OP instead.
To be fair, he’s not speaking about putting together a heroic-capable 20-man to get the first three bosses, but rather about getting Cutting Edge. There, 1% or less completion sounds likely. He’s not wrong about that point, even though he’s reaching the wrong conclusions.
I think removing the item level increase might be a bonus to try to solve the ilvl bloat but that would also have to remove LFR loot ilvl possibly as well. There’s some pretty big downsides for messing with this stuff honestly and as someone who doesn’t care to raid Mythic I’m not sure what the best solution would be.
Them adding all the different kinds of difficulty to raids actually made me far less interested in even doing the raids. I think having the one raid difficulty and then maybe hardmode with some different items in the pool that could be a little better than a regular piece is good, sort of like Ulduar did.
But I also think having a mode to challenge the ‘best of the best’ is always good too, just not sure what kind of rewards it should be just cosmetic or not and how that would effect participation.
YES. heroic raids should reward the highest raid ilvl. heroic raids have the same difficulty as m+15 i’d say. might limit heroic raids to 20-man as mythic raids, because 10-man are too easy. the 1% mythic raiders can still do mythic raids, without any meaningful reward, same as m+20 players doing currently. idk why people push their keys this high, but have fun lol.
yes,. ive said precisely this and got absolutely harangued by people for it.
You would need to know how many have tried to get the kill, thats the important figure.
Doesnt matter who downed her, it matters how many try for it … then you can make your posting about is it really worth having as a difficulty.
1% kill doesnt mean much, 15% (as an example) of the population tried … so its the 15% that matters, not the success rate.
IF the tried % is 2 or 3, then you are completely correct … if the tried is 20% then im afraid mythic blah blah must stay. 20% of the player base want it … and thats quite a number.
Mythic raiding is fun, even if you don’t reach the end of the raid. Just because the last boss is inaccessible for most guilds doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a place in the game.
Here’s the thing, most of all raiders that like to think they’re mythic raiders are in fact not.
The guys clearing the raids for world first and then the following couple of weeks, they’re the mythic raiders.
Everybody else is just farming more and more gear, week upon week, so that the difficulty gets slowly outweighed by players stats increasing.
If the gear lvl was capped at HC and then mythic was scaled accordingly, you’d find most guilds couldn’t complete the raid.
That’s how mythic should be, an actual challenge, not just something that gets easier with time xD
I could agree with no power/gear rewards for mythic raids, however a huge no to the difficulty. Just because something is too difficult for most doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.
I think not being able to simply outgear a progression boss would make defeating it a lot more satisfying and rewarding. But don’t make it easy. That just takes away from the entire point of why people do it. If you want easier raids, go one difficulty lower.
savage or ultimate raid are harder than wow carry with addons mythic raid ^^
play mythic without wa and dbm good luck
This is literally what mythic is… and it gives gear that is higher ilvl, because it’s one of the most difficult content areas in the game.
Less than 1% of people own a Ferrari; but it’s still worth making them.
Not at all, it means that there are more than 1 cars you don’t own but might want some day.
Relaxing is about the social environment. If the guild is good, if the raid team is good, then it’s a lot of fun taking a few weeks to bash your way through a boss.
As for competitive; it’s not all about the hall of fame. We’re not competing with each other, we’re cooperating against a difficult game.
Removing mythic would destroy thousands of guilds. Many of those guilds have also social rosters doing n/hc, social rosters are often led by mythic rosters.
If that’s what you wish for, yes, remove mythic. Let’s not even mention world first race is huge publicity for the game on twitch
Most WoW players aren’t bothered by mythic raids’ existence then.
Name 1 (one) successful MMO that doesn’t have content exclusively for the 1%. Hell, look at where the doomsaying for WoW lies - the raiders are quitting!
It is good for an MMO to have content that will always be out of the reach of the majority of the population. That way you ensure the majority of the population always has something to aspire to.
Now, the problem is that in WoW, we have too many casual features, which has led to many players simply writing off huge chunks of content as “I don’t do this”. And that’s their fault.
You don’t provide any good reason to remove mythic raids other than “well, I don’t do them”.
You shouldn’t look at the number of guilds that CLEARED a mythic raid. Many guilds, after they’re done with heroic, will see how far they can get in mythic. That provides something to do for, I’d say, the majority of pve guilds, so they don’t fall apart 3 weeks into a patch.
Especially with the 9.0 vault, simply killing 3 bosses in mythic would be very beneficial to many guilds. And considering how generally the first 2-3 bosses of a mythic raid are easier than the last bosses of a heroic raid, you can see why many guilds are actively encouraged to enter mythic.
So kindly… your suggestion is stupid. In R6: Siege, you have Diamond and Champion ranks. How many do you think are there? Do you think it is maybe 10% of the population? Nah, Champion is probably less than 1%. Does that mean Champion ranks should be removed? Or it means for an online game to succeed, you need precisely something that 99% of the people cannot obtain. But they can aspire. Become better.
You’re basically calling WoW’s players trash who can’t do better. That should be insulting to everyone who agrees with you.
I don’t think I will ever do mythic raiding.
However I don’t see any reason why those who enjoy it should be denied mythic raiding, whether they make up 0.004 % of the population or 38 %.
No and no they need to tune it for 10 players raid teams its doable but ye and tbh why punish the hardcore people?
Because every player, regardless of skill level, deserves to have a place to go next.
Why does there being a bigger challenge diminish the one you completed? I don’t understand.
It’s already optional, and we want gear scaling in it because otherwise the bosses don’t get easier each week which would completely break the mode - and don’t even think about just nerfing all our gear outside raids. Gonna be annoying with the breakpoints - we don’t want that.
We want an adventure that we don’t roflstomp, too. Who are you to deny that to us? Because that is what you are doing - you are denying mythic raiders the next step in their journey. We will destroy everything and then be left with nothing to do other than grind for a reward with no meaning - that is it can’t be used to get us any further in any journey. It’s not like people at LFR who do have something ahead of them if they seek it out.
You’re never alone, but my policy is simply this: As many players as possible deserve a next step in their journey. It may not be the step they prefer, but there always needs to be something next for them to achieve - something that’s hard, something to strive for. Something that’s over the next hill, that is within reach but never trivial.
You are robbing around 100,000 people of that.
Why?
It looks like a dog, it barks like a dog and poops like a dog, therefore, is a dog.
statisticaly he is very likely to already do so
there is much more ex-wow players playing FF14 then wow atm .
That’s exactly the thing 
I will never own a supercar - but it’s ok if supercars exist.
I doubt I will kill mythic Sylvanas - but it’s ok for mythic Sylvanas to exist. Maybe it will be a real long patch and I will actually get there, who knows?