Phase 2 add currency for raid

ofc the GDKP runner saying the GDKPs is not the problem

thats like me saying as a Mage Aoe Mage farming is not broken

or me saying as a hunter please dont nerf me in battlegrounds and my pet totally not doing alot of damage while i just stand still and dont do anything

also

1-2 hours to wait for the mail from the gold seller?

becuase farming 7-14hours in total in a week i dont think can give you 80-130g
even more when the most “optimal” farming spots is fill of bots basically

also reminder if you are already in the GDKP eco system ofc its easier for you to join GDKps

its like GDKps in general is some kind of pyramid/ponzi scheme of world of warcraft

that also kinda explains what i had to deal with over at wotlk classic and why it is basically impossible to join any groups becuase i was late

kinda like being “late” to a pyramid/ponzi scheme: you cant get anything from it only lose stuff from it

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You toss a lot of baseless claims and assumptions based on your fanfic in your head.

For the record, I never even ran or took part in GDKP raids, because I always raided in guilds for the almost 20 years I play this game.

I just had no reason to do GDKP, because I simply had DKP, EPGP or Loot Council - you name it in guilds and I avoid PuG raids like a plague.

Maybe that is why I don’t see GDKP as not a problem - my mains are always raiding in a guild setting and alts are just a little more than class trials.

Which is by the way - something I’d suggest to others if they are so struggling against this GDKP menace.

When you don’t do something, best to involve your opinion on it in every post as often as possible. Your experience is valuable.

It’s an open forum and I can post my opinions in the topics related to the game at will.

Yes, I don’t see GDKP as an issue, because I simply never encountered it ever. The solution is right there - either join guilds or one of those 23423423 groups that don’t do GDKP and leave people who do it and like it alone.

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Its supposed to be Vanilla+ experience not retail experience. So do not add pandas and tokens for loot.

The whole beauty of Vanilla is RNG no one knows whats gonna drop and people make guilds with SR or DKP etc itd.

Like if U knew Thunderfury bindings would drop, would it even be fun when they dropped? Its like making it even more PUG and GDKP instead of guildfun action in raid.

Well in my post I stated some things should still be boss specific loot, like epics and even legendary mats if it went that far in phase 2 (which I doubt).

It’s no iteration of mop or anything retail, grinding for a currency for rare quality loot can in itself be grindy of designed that way.

Vanilla at its core is grindy, so it keeps with mechanics of classic.

Well Vanilla is supposed to be like it is that is you grind for rep and for PvP epics from BG. But raid epics is total RNG and it makes it fun.

Would it be fun to check what dropped on a boss in BWL if you knew just a boring token dropped? The whole fun is to check what dropped and makes the raid be excited. Or so do I think.

Also with whole RNG I do not know even 1 player who did not get almost everything from BFD in my guild who were a member since week 1. We did first MS>OS but after some ppl cried that some ppl are too lucky with rolls we use 2 SR for everyone. But as time passed everyone got stuff.

Personally I just lack pants and the sword from 3rd boss.

Point is with tokens I would have all gear after maybe dunno 10 raids? And what would I do now? Go for raid just so new guildies get stuff, well I would but still its more fun if I still need 2 things from the raid.

I 100% think the currency should be used for the level up raids only.

Lv40 & 50 but not Lv60.

It would allow people to get all the gear they want before the end of the phase ready to lv on the next, especially on alts etc.

I dont see the point in gear gating on a temporary phase.

Also I get you might be in a situation where you do get BiS quick, but you dont have a certainty that it will happen.

You could end up buying say a Tier Chest for your currency and the next raid, it drops. Now the currency is wasted.

It would however be a way to save up your currency and ensure you have everything at the end of the phase ready for the next one.

This is exactly my thought.

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Well maybe do it the last month of the phase if its intended to last for 3 months?

Since they capped PvP so honor is useless then so the only fun is raid and if you get full BiS then its gonna be more and not less GDKP. I have a guild and like nostalgic vanilla so would not do it but imagine a lot of ppl in full BiS and the only thing they can do for next phase is farm gold.

What will they do? Some of them will for sure instead of run the guildraid for less fortunate players or new ones go for the GDKP where they get gold from ppl bidding on items since they need the gold for next phase.

BTW just as I am against GDKP I am not against item boosts (no one did xp boost back then) for alts since it was a thing back in Vanilla. Ppl who were 60 dragged some other ppls alts through low level instances for gold or exchange boost. But back then ofc we did not have 10 000 bots farming gold and we did not have goldsellers and goldbuyers.

They kind of ruin the only endgame activity you can do for the next phase and encourage geared ppl to do GDKP to farm their gold for next phase. The other endgame activity that is farm WSG rep is also ruined by being only usable when you have a premade. If you dont have a premade U sit ganked in the GY by a premade + all honor you gain is wasted since its capped on rank 3.

This is a great idea.
I run bfd since the 2nd id with my hunter and never saw the Leather shoulders or belt dropping. Not even the fork from the Lady.

With this curreny i could have bought one or two items in the time.

No imo, it’s too “designed” stuff like this waters down the experience ultimately

All this ensures is everyone basically gets free items and everyone progresses at the same rate just bad for the game. This also ensures that the times the RNG is in you favor you still just get the exact same stuff it’s bland

With a 3 day lockout on BFD and the current duration phase 1 you be incredibly unlucky if you didn’t at least get some items…… some get full BIS some get half way that’s fine.

The rush comes when you finally do get that item you wanted, just going to vendor and buying it ye what a rush……

Adding currency to raid will have a huge negativ impact.

less farming outside raid is a direct consequence.

No to wellfare items.

what do you mean by farming outside raid?
bis boes are just extremely overpriced with 200-500g per piece.

I feel like it would feel super bad if you spend all your hard earned currency on an items and then next day it drops.

Don’t we already have some “welfare” items connected to quests in BFD?

Won’t suprise me if we get for example a new variant of Triprunner Dungarees with lvl 40 stat weights, which is probably BiS for many classes.

Having 3+ items available through quests is already a few slots covered by just doing a single clear.

Sure thing, we can see things a BiS for the level bracket. But it’s healthier to see it as a bonus item to help as you level the next phase. BFD items will most likely last up til late SM and Gnomeregan, but not a necessity.

Tell me you come from FFXIV without telling me you come from FFXIV