All three phases rets are dead. Im sick of seeing rets at the bottom, competing with meme frost mages and tanks on warcraft logs.
Why does Blizzard hate ret paladins in SoD?
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Best alliance tanks and middle of the pack pve with gear. And top 3 utility in game. Could had been Worse
You got 5 % double attack proc on 3 set bonus aswell. Thats like best prebis trinket from classic *3! Think palas will be eating good this phase
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I have both a ret and a holy.
None are top dogs, but both are more than fine.
Dude … we’re top of the middle of the pack as dps and can even top the meters and we’re really good in pvp too …
Just say you just don’t know how to play it….
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Ret might not be as good as it’s sister class, the Shaman in DPS right now, but my god can the Paladin tank!!! Holy hell… I have an alt Pally and tanking is sooo damn nice!
Maybe they will improve Ret over the the course of P3, but I hope they don’t ruin the tanking
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99 logs phase 2 (Getz, living flame EU).
Teach me how to compete with real dps like warriors, warlocks and mages. Especially in phase 3 when you dont have the pummeler (or unfortunately will still have).
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Well if you’re really that guy (which I doubt because you post on a sock puppet) you’re effectively a 99 (with some obsolete ones …) in best but a 89 on average so just like me and you can’t see how good we are actually and how much we’ll scale in p3 ? Are you real ?
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Have you been playing in your raid with the top 8 damage dealers on WCL? lol
Kinda odd to have that performance and to claim you are always bottom.
With all the crazy mana regen rets get now maybe it’s time u learn how to seal twist.
Yea very good in pvp for sure
Man lose almost evry single fight vs noobs, avg players 
Btw Savix is multi glad arena player. So actualt ret is pretty garbage at pvp atm
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Good nerf paladins to the ground alliance ruined our factions class because they couldnt handle something being better than them.
Big fan of seal twisting. Unfortunately blizz hate rets and turned off seal twisting in SoD.
you can still seal twist. blizzard just turned off the twisting between SoC → SoM and vice versa but you can still twist with every other seal.
and with the last buff they gave to SoM by making it scalling as the same way and talent as SoR, seal twisting can be quite good for p3 with a talent tree 11/0/30 (with 5 point in improved SoR)
99 logs is pretty much 89…
Got it. Good math bro.
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Dude if you got 99 parse and complain of being at the bottom, you’re way too invested in the game.
My ret has full purple logs and I’m always 1st or 2nd in dps in my raids.
You’re sweating too much, go take a shower, go.
And do some exercise
Still want to see a real ret paladin with some big melee crits like they are ment to have. Let shockadins do the exorcism thing.
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best parse is not median parse dude if you don’t know that what are you doing here ?..
my best parse average is 96.5 but my median parse (so my real skill) is 89.3 so just like you …
and nothing prevents you to play the seal of command build but don’t cry because you suck on damage
Guys, we can close the topic now.
The expert explained that rets will top the meters in phase 3, we only need to press buttons.
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Ret is and will be bonkers in pvp. And in PVE they are doing just fine. Just reroll already if you dont enjoy playing your class
I never said that …
you’re basicaly doing what children do when they’re out of argument be angry and changing the words of their interlocutor … grow up
and just do sims dude on full bis the SoM build (so not the shockadin) is already above the SoC one by more than a 100 dps on average for p3 … and thats without seal twisting or weapon swaping
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