I play Frost Mage, Sub Rogue and Surv Hunter. (And Spriest / WW Monk but they are not listed here)
These changes are actually pretty good. I agree with most of them, even tho they nerf 60% of the classes I play.
I disagree with Gouge and Blind sharing a choice node. Thats changing a class too much from how its been for 20 years. I rather see a nerf to Subterfuge or reduce the number of vanishes to max 1 regardless of specc. And seeing as 99% of all rogues are night elves now, lets make Shadowmeld only castable outside combat.
They didn’t have Gouge for many, many expansion… Rogue CC is higher than it’s been for years, they also didn’t have the survival they have now. gouge is the main issue.
sure but when rogues will lose 2x vanish and when priests will lose greater fade.
Let me fix this one for you
i think that would bring up feral to modern design of current class design the only reason i added extra charge of SI is because feral remains the only melee without 100% dodge or immunity
Alright if THAT is what you are referring to, yes, they made it Combat/Outlaw specific for some expansions.
Gauge is useless for Assassination, as it breaks on damage and Assassination is about DoT damage, so its more or less just another interrupt, but I mean, Rogue’s can interrupt you 117 ways, Gauge should not be the specific problem.
Sublety likes Gauge tho as its yet another way to control the opponent to reset the match.
But I am 100% certain that between Subterfuge, double vanish, In-Combat Shadowmeld and Shadowy Duel, you are probably the only one who thinks Gauge is the problem for Sublety.
it´s not useless, even when it breaks on your dots, it also stop casting for a second, it´s like a micro cc
rogues are doing it when i try to clone the enemy or on a penance cast from the disc, or to stop the long chaos bolt
Saying gauge is useless for an Assa rogue is just wrong.
gouge is really good, and u dont bleed 3 targets 24/7 its most likely 2 targets depends if they stack or not.
for me it would be a Good thing to remove Gauge again 1 less micro cc, also remove some micro cc´s from other classes it´s getting out of controll even in m+
but yeah Gauge isnt the main problem, not even Close, it´s more likely Shadowmeld/Shadowy Duel / 2 vanish
I see what where you’re coming from with some of these, but some of them don’t make sense in practice imo
Nerfing cyclone to 4 sec duration makes it almost never worth to swap out of form for, cause the reward just ain’t worth casting. 2 sec is a LOT to nerf a stun CC in PvP - maybe start with 1 sec and see how big a difference that makes imo
Putting Gouge and Blind in the same choice node is basically just removing gouge from the game, cause no one is ever gonna take gouge over blind.
The idea of Duel and Bomb sharing CD is interesting to me!
Maybe it should be used in combat like it is now, but dont take you out of combat when you use it, so at least it can be useful to break cast or catch a spell.
Explain. Bashing people is easy, giving proper arguments as to why you disagree, now that requires work.
worked perfectly fine for over 10 years before they buffed it to work in-combat.
The primary reason to use NELF is to use Shadowmeld as a tool to avoid projectile damage. No where on the tooltip does it indicate that this is the intended use for Shadowmeld, so I would argue that nerfing the way Shadowmeld is being used beyond what it’s tooltip suggests, seems like the way to make Shadowmeld properly work as intended.
Worked in the sense that there was plenty of people whom enjoyed the racial ability without it making almost all classes have NELF as the top race pick for pvp.
The problem with this is that we have no other abilities in game that get you stealthed but also does not get you out of combat. For me to stay in combat, must mean someone else is in combat with me, and thus I can now use your version of Shadowmeld to hide and keep someone in combat. That increases the level of abuse you can make with this racial.
Shadowmeld works like this since 2008, yet no one cried about it until now. Maybe buff other abilities,.but definetely not remove racial from night elves like you want to.
About rogues nerfs. Rogue should be class for cc as it always was, all that rogues need to be removed are healing/shields with vanish and potion, cloak should not remove physical debuffs, and damage should be slightly lowered. Too strong defensives for class that is supposed to be squishy.
