Specifically Wintergrasp and Ashran.
I like Alterac Valley and Isle of Conquest. Two solid bgs in my opinion, that are fun to play, win or lose.
I remember Wintergrasp in wotlk, and Ashran in wod. Both fun experiences. But these modern versions, rebuilt to be epic battlegrounds, just do not work.
Mostly its due to lag. They are just lagfests. But beyond that, there is just no incentive to do any of the side objectives anymore. Its all one bing fustercluck of laggy, broken gameplay.
I lack the words to say how much I dislike these bgs now. When i sign up for a random epic bg its basically a 50/50 chance on wheter I’ll get a game of AV or IoC, or if Im getting a half hour deserter debuff.
The result is that i pretty much stay away from epic bgs. Also, the few times I suck it up and endure them, the topic in the bg chat is nearly always people’s dislike of said bgs. About how they are brokenly laggy, or how they are simply not fun for anyone.
This makes good sense as to why, seems reasonable.
I think more than 15 player leave a wintergrasp
Maybe one day we will see an increase in amount of bg, we already have a few (brawls, strands, korrak, tol barad) but they are all locked away from us
Now when I want to sit down for some epic bg or regular I just que specific otherwise it’s 15minute debuff or up to 30-45 minutes of a bg I don’t really want to play.
Actually it is a strange good that pvp rewards are very bad for pvp/bg, otherwise I would feel a bit punished for going specific in que
Because when you got it from random bg tab , it was gamble.
You cant effect game play as solo or 5 people group. Need at least 30 people to be good there.
So when people saw av or ioc they didnt risk it and they left it. You cant effect a team even with 5 people on 40 players bg. It was always leave option for people when they got 40v40
You can queue as rogue to random bg and get gilneas , and Ninja cap bases all the time and bring win on ur team.
I guess this happen around Legion, when I play before this we could still blacklist.
I never realised they put the Epic BG in same que system as the others.
In AV on my ally rogue in so many game I cap our flag back last second - I position my character out of sight behind bunker wall but still click flag, amazing how many time people do not notice or afk and it give your team win… but I quit playing AV now because it feels like it is only PvE bg.
I really hope we see more BG come in future we can que into, hopefully this bring back the blacklist too, i’ll even settle for just one bg on blacklist lol
I guess having the option to thumb down two our of four options in the epic bg bracket would be a little broken. But maybe this just skirts around the true issue…
I guess the question could be: Do we want Ashran and Wintergrasp the way they are now? I could live without them, if I’m honest.
Yeah given the lack of choice overall I could only really see 1 as viable, to be honest I think player will still leave regardless.
I cannot stand Wintergrasp, maybe it is better epic bg for less geared players but many player seem quite lost at times and I personally am not a fan of the vehicle and turret warfare, I can understand why other may enjoy but for me I leave each time.
For Ashran, I am actually happy it has seen some love very recently, there has been undocumented changes that I believe have positively impacted the game and I am grateful to see some active changes going on to improve it.
I think even just one option for blacklist would be great still tho
If SotA and blacklisting were to come back, I would never blacklist SotA, but I would always keep Seething Shore blacklisted.
One learns to appreciate a ‘mediocre BG’ after they remove it and replace it with ‘the most horrible crap I have ever witnessed’.
Even if blacklisting doesn’t come back (though why not?), at least bring SotA back and remove that awful rush-based thing. I have learned my lesson and will never say anything bad about SotA again.
