Sure there were people complaining but you gotta look at the whole picutre instead of being so narrow minded like you act right now. MoP did require some minor pruning but no one realised that blizzard would go all out and remove 3/4 of your spells within 3 expansions. Also, if you gave the majority the option to get back to old expansions, 90% would pick anything but any xpac that got released after mop. However, read my last comment about why it’s a fact and rather provide some proper arguments on why you think that the majority is okay with the current class design.
I can’t really explain why you would enjoy the current class design other than
a) you’re being a casual and you’re okay with doing everything some1 else who spends way more time does.
or b) you literally only played active during wod/legion/bfa hence why you have no knowledge about earlier class design & possibilities.
Literally linked a poll to back it up abit (even tho i didn’t need to if you would stop being in denial)
Yes.
If you say in your opinion that BfA class design is good, you’re defending BfA class design.
I never said you’re not allowed to like one aspect and not another, I’m not really sure what you’re going on about there honestly.
For example I like and will defend pathfinder but I’m ready to crap all over class design.
Does the largest part of the community represent the majority? Yes, yes it does.
People I speak to in and out of game.
The majority of posts on the WoW forums.
The fact that WoW has lost well over 100% of its current player base.
If you mention you play WoW to a stranger online it’s often met with jokes because most people don’t play this game anymore.
Of course you’ll choose to ignore all of the information we have because you’re content telling yourself that there is this silent majority having a blast.
If you’re telling yourself that the forums were filled with happiness and joy when they learned they were getting pruned in legion and then learned about the artifact grind, stat templates and legendary items, then I’m not really sure we have anything else to discuss, you’re living in a fantasy world.
Even small details like artifacts causing specs to use a forced weapon type caused outrage.
I know as a mage I was annoyed I had to use a sword and fire mage dominated the first patch.
Are you making like a compilation of every logical fallacy or just trying to respond to my post? i honestly can’t tell
First you should look up the meaning of words. When i read narrow minded i generally think of people who bundle up how much people enjoy their class with pruning, implying that fun is directly proportional to the number of buttons.
Narrow minded would also be someone who pulls numbers out of their rear and start assuming that “if you disagree with me then you must a) and b)”
Huh, why am i clueless ? Since Legion/BFA snares even count as a valid and great CC because most of the classes lost their mobility & barely have any gapcloser ? Please provide some more infos other than “yOu aRe sO cLuElEsS”
Nah, sharing your own opinion doesn’t matter because neither do you provide any points on why class design is currently fun, nor do you represent the majority. If anything, and only hypothetically, if blizzard would listen to YOUR “valuable” opinion, things would probably get worse.
I see you are completly ignoring what i said but still quoting me.
Yap, you did defend it. There is no way you are actually being serious and not trolling right now Lol.
Either way, i won’t even quote the rest you quoted since you repeat yourself constantly trying to prove your point that you’ve “only” tried to express your opinion. To be honest, looks like you’re out of fuel trying to just make others mad, not realizing you contradict yourself with literally everything you say. No point in arguing if you can’t even tackle my arguments.
No, I’m actually being serious. based on your statement :
^ Oh sorry, that one was just being ignorant without even reading my previous post where i provided even a poll in case you won’t believe anything that’s stated here:
Well, let’s move on
I mean, saying that “you think no one complained back then?” without trying to understand the context is pretty narrow minded, yes.
The poll you linked, beside being very unrepresentative, is also completely irrelevant because it asks a completely different question. Again, you’re bundling different things together.
Taking a question out of context to prove that it’s narrow minded to ignore context, good job. Also my point was that forum complains aren’t a good indicator for establishing “facts”, which you seem to be doing.
Do you honestly believe that those people who are against pruning still enjoy their class like they used to ? I highly doubt it. Also, i bundled them because pruning AND class design is as closely connected as it gets. If you prune a class, you will have less options, less variety and ultimately less fun finding ways to play your Character differently than others.
Read it again, i gave you examples and told you to check social media pages such as the forums and twitter. It’s not a great indicator but the best we have available right now. Got a better idea what represents the community? Also, back in MoP people didn’t complain nearly as much about class design and if there was a thread, it was mostly from casuals complaining about them having too many spells and werent able to deal as much dmg as others because … well yeah, others spent more time theorycrafting and figuring out ways to maximize.
We all know where catering to casuals brought us to so i won’t even go further than that.
I don’t quite understand how you want to discredit my statement that most of the classes are cripples due to the lack of mobility/abilities/counterplay mechanics but you did a great job confirming what i just said. Druid monks and DH do have acceptable mobility yes, they haven’t pruned it because it’s basically their existence authority.
I mean … i backed it up with multiple statements such as shrinking playerbase, a twitter poll and the majority of forum threads. What else do you need ?
I don’t. I quoted you in my last comment saying why exactly i think you are defending the current state and you still seem to ignore it because it’s your own statement that contradicts your further statements such as “but i only express my opinion”
I mean look at it, i gave you the prime example and that’s everything you managed to come up with. Really good job there.
False. On the better side of things, Hazzikostas seems to have understood they bungled class design, if going by his latest video is anything to go by, and has promised to act in consequence. So you may remain as ignorant as you are now, it doesn’t make any difference whatsoever.
Hazzikostas talked about specific aspects regarding classes and the changes the dev team is considering, changes which not everyone is on board with, even from people like you without who throw “class design” in every whine thread they can get their hands on.
Currently we don’t know how classes will shape up in the next expansion, but it’s incredibly silly to think that adding one or two extra buttons will suddenly make all classes fun. I think the dev team knows better than that.
Also did the rulebook on forum toxicity change? cause i remember you were supposed to start your post with the word “wrong”, not “false”.
You are right, because the design is broken on a much more fundamental level.
For example, adding 2 buttons on a disc priest doesn’t make current atonement a fun mechanic (which the whole spec is built around). Ditto with spriest insanity.
The classes and specs should be rebuilt to resemble their older self more, not just have spells slapped in “because spellcount”.
Indeed it’s much more complicated than that, but adding more abilities can be a good way to make classes more fun imo. More abilities means more possibilities, which can have many effects on the gameplay of your class by either rendering the rotation more interesting or your class overall more impactful. Give back barskin to feral druids and you’ll see the difference. And if you don’t believe that then check what the latest pruning from Legion to BfA did to classes when it came to artifact abilities (not even talking about passives) : fire mages losing phenix brought the rotation down to fireball spam + fire blast whenever you crit, yay… a good example of how one single ability can make a difference, especially when it’s a good one. Same goes for guardian druids, as depriving them from one single ability, rage of the sleeper, made them utter trash when it comes to dealing with magical damage/effects, and had a huge impact on PvP.
So as you can see taking off abilities is seldom the right way to go, therefore (imo) unpruning truly is a mandatory step towards making classes great again.
If you’d had any meaningful progression either in pve or PvP you would not be posting on a lvl 20 char. As far as I can see you’re an 1750 garbage in 2v2 and 1500 one in 3v3
But ofc you’re so good and you know so much about class design
I’m not even surprised that you enjoy the current state of the game when you’re main is literally the most brain-dead specc in this game.
I guess you’d be happy even with one button to press
By switching chars you literally prove our point. That class design is shat.
You literally have no whatsoever experience with none of your classes., Thus you don’t know how should they look in a proper exoansion
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