How is it again that Alliance tolerates an army of Death Knights in its ranks while they are generally hostile to the Undead even prior to Sylvanas’ actions? Maiev’s reaction to seeing one of her wardens raised is inconsistent: “What have they done to you?” Whatever has been done to many other night elves that you fight side by side with, ugh
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its an alliance, you dont have to like them to tolerate them.
it has nothing to do with wow even - in real life, you dont have to like everyone but tolerance is required.
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Because we are farm more honorbull than other undids.
It has something to do with heir to the throne being DK himself …
Some of the Alliance races are famous for their intolerance.
Some? All of them. Starting with NE (towards Nightbourne), Humans and Dwarves (towards Undead and Bloodelves who were allied to them). And so on.
Hord is much more open to different racea.
Last I checked the Gnomes, Pandaren, Draenei were quite tolerable to most other races. Despite one of said other races attempting to genocide their entire race.
So, using ‘all races’ to describe intolerance wouldn’t be all that correct.
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Because the Death Knights freed from the Lich King’s control formed the Knights of the Ebon Blade and fought against the Lich King.
And they went home to their respective factions afterwards. They proved themselves loyal in the fight against the Lich King. Also, the Lich King was a force of evil that even Sylvanas fought against. And now she’s doing the exact same thing.
Even so, I imagine they are tolerated best… Maybe pitied. But not loved or accepted.
Horde death knights might have an easier time of it, seeing as undead have been a part of the faction for years…
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Because the Death Knights’ first act as independent undead wasn’t betraying and annihilating the remnants of the Alliance of Lordaeron?
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Are you serious? That’s not even remotely true.
That’s because when the Night Elves fought a bloody civil war, where one side actively tried to summon DEMONS into the world that wreaked havoc on everyone they came across, Suramar just hid inside their magical bubble and let everyone else do the fighting.
Tyrande has every reason to be upset with the Nightborne who hid when she and her people fought against Azshara.
Had to shake my head at people who just saw her as being mean towards the Nightborne in Legion. People who were obviously speaking from a position of ignorance.
If someone turned tail and ran when I was fighting for my life, I’d be a smidge upset as well. I damn well wouldn’t trust them ever again.
You mean the Undead who tore through Lordaeron and the neighboring kingdoms, and slaughtered untold numbers of innocents in a bloody rampage?
Undead who to this day keep plotting against them and use plagues and diseases as a weapon of war.
Yeah you’re right, I can’t tell why they would have something against the Forsaken.
As for the Blood Elves. They left the Alliance before the Third War, they proved themselves unreliable allies because of idiots like Anasterian Sunstrider and other isolationists.
The ones who they could rely on where the ones who stuck with the Alliance despite direct orders from Anasterian to return to Quel’Thalas.
Such as Alleria Windrunner and her soldiers.
Also, when the Draenei arrive on Azeroth they tell their new Allies that their vessel was sabotaged by Blood Elves. Why wouldn’t they investigate such claims? (Which were true)
At that point in time, the Blood Elves serving Kael’Thas in Outland and the Blood Elves in Quel’Thalas were one and the same.
Do go on… You seem to have more examples stored…
Have you heard of the Forsaken? A core race in the Horde.
Who have something against every living being.
The Alliance might have some grudges against certain Horde races, but the Forsaken literally have a grudge against every breathing individual.
One of their battle cries is “DEATH TO THE LIVING!” for crying out loud.
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If my memory serves me well Sylvanas’ first act after she reclaimed Lordaeron was to send emissaries out to Stormwind. They feared them (which is kind of understandable, since the Eastern Kingdoms had a bit of an undead problem,) and instead of listening what they have to say promply slaughtered the group.
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I wouldn’t be surprise if the Night Elves are viewed as xenophobic, since plenty of semi-important NE character looks down on non-NE races. One of the Night Elf leaders refused to utilize the force Tauren warriors meant on the battlefield because of trust issues. Only after his death were the tauren allowed to actually participate in major confrontations.
I also think that the majority of the night elf leadership in the Cenarion circle does not trust non-night elves. Hamuul they allowed in, but I honestly cannot recall many others who are not night elves.
Dwarves seem to be fighting within themselves on a political level, other than that I do not recall seeing them being hostile to non-Alliance races just for being themselves.
The Blood Elves actually left the Alliance because the current Alliance leader at that time, Garithos, sent them out on assignments he knew they cannot do on their own, and when they allied with the naga in order to not be obliterated he arrested them (and I think he wanted to execute Kael’thas too for treason.) He really hated Blood Elves for some reason.
Draenei seem to be quite blinded by their devotion to the light. Unless they took out lines from the NPCs who walk around the exodar you can hear them conversing about the Broken, their own brethren who lost their connection to the light. They not only question Velen allowing them on the exodar, but their own paladin order, the Vindicators, do not consider them on the same level as other Draenei. In the Legion scenario where you have to protect Velen you can choose to help out Nobundo as well (optional quest) where he will tell you how grateful he is, because the Vindicators left them to die to the demon assault, considering them a casualty.
I am not sure where I stumbled into the quest, but I recall a confrontation with a draenei and a dying broken whom. You do quests for them in order to try and heal the broken, who end up dying by the end of the quest. During the questline this draenei will tell you how his own kin shun him for being friends with a broken, and outright refused to help him find a cure for the broken’s illness.
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Sylvanas’ first acts as an independent undead were striking a deal with a Dreadlord, deceiving Garithos and slaughtering his men.
Also, Sylvanas sent emissaries to Quel’thalas too, but to no avail.
and instead of listening what they have to say promply slaughtered the group.
Nowhere is it stated that the Alliance slaughtered those emissaries, only that they didn’t make it past Stormwind’s gates, which can mean a lot of things.
I wouldn’t be surprise if the Night Elves are viewed as xenophobic, since plenty of semi-important NE character looks down on non-NE races.
Every Elf does that, including the Nightborne and Blood Elves. The Zandalari are also quite vainglorious and megalomaniac.
He really hated Blood Elves for some reason.
During the Second War, Garithos was fighting in Quel’thalas while an army of orcs changed course and attack his town Blackwood slaughtering its defenders and butchering Garithos’ family. Garithos blames the Elves for diverting vital resources that could have been used to defend Humanity instead.
Draenei seem to be quite blinded by their devotion to the light. Unless they took out lines from the NPCs who walk around the exodar you can hear them conversing about the Broken, their own brethren who lost their connection to the light. They not only question Velen allowing them on the exodar, but their own paladin order, the Vindicators, do not consider them on the same level as other Draenei. In the Legion scenario where you have to protect Velen you can choose to help out Nobundo as well (optional quest) where he will tell you how grateful he is, because the Vindicators left them to die to the demon assault, considering them a casualty.
I am not sure where I stumbled into the quest, but I recall a confrontation with a draenei and a dying broken whom. You do quests for them in order to try and heal the broken, who end up dying by the end of the quest. During the questline this draenei will tell you how his own kin shun him for being friends with a broken, and outright refused to help him find a cure for the broken’s illness.
The Draenei are not perfect, but let’s be real please, what they did is child’s play compared to the actions of orcs and Forsaken.
Even Trolls and Tauren have become very bloodthirsty and violent lately, seeing as they are bombarding innocent Kul Tiran civilians.
She used Garithos in order to help and get an advantage over the other dreadlords, is what I remember from my time playing WC3.
I think the “we slaughtered your emissaries” shows up in some form in the letter Anduin sends to Sylvanas in the gathering storm book. Most likely it is sugarcoated a little, but you get the idea. I think even Nathanos makes mention of it in BFA on the ship (including that the Alliance were hunting undead and made no distinction between forsaken and regular undeads.)
I am not saying that elves aren’t xenophobic in general (hell, there is a Blood Elf NPC who does not trade with your character if he is a troll) but night elves are more often than not shown in this light (I guess that is partly because of Tyrande.)
Thanks for the Enlightment on Garithos, though it still does not excuse him for driving the Blood Elves off.
True enough what the Draenei did is minor compared to what the other two races are/were doing. They are still doing it however, and seeing this makes it easy to stamp the intolerant label on the Alliance.
Play Borean Tundra as an Alliance (DK) it has a storyline concerning DKs and their acceptance in the Alliance.
She used Garithos in order to help and get an advantage over the other dreadlords, is what I remember from my time playing WC3.
She also promised him that he would get Lordaeron back if he helped her.
I think the “we slaughtered your emissaries” shows up in some form in the letter Anduin sends to Sylvanas in the gathering storm book. Most likely it is sugarcoated a little, but you get the idea.
He only mentions how Sylvanas was refused when she first approached the Alliance.
I think even Nathanos makes mention of it in BFA on the ship (including that the Alliance were hunting undead and made no distinction between forsaken and regular undeads.)
He doesn’t talk about those emissaries. He also doesn’t mention the Alliance, but Humans in general, which leads me to believe that he was referring to the independent Scarlet Crusade organization, given the fact that it is impossible that the Alliance could actively hunt the Forsaken when their only settlement in the subcontinent of Lordaeron was the small fishing village of Southshore.
though it still does not excuse him for driving the Blood Elves off.
No, but it explains his hatred for the Elves. And besides, don’t the Blood Elves realize that their current Warchief is much worse than Garithos?
Say what you will about Garithos, that he is ugly, that he is obnoxious, that he is a coward, but he never committed genocide.
They are still doing it however
Not really, No, the last example you provided was from Legion.
anyway, just do the dk start area, it explains everything
She knew her people had no chance of survival on their own, she sent emissaries to both the Alliance and the Horde. Out of desperation, not out of a kinship or sense of honor.
If she had enough soldiers at the time I’m sure she’d sweep down through the Eastern Kingdoms and exterminate every human, dwarf and gnome she found. To secure her southern borders so she could focus 100% of her attention on destroying the Lich King.
Those feelings are fading… If you play Alliance through Feralas you’ll see Shandris Feathermoon personally mentoring three Worgen women, as they are her lieutenants and are given specific tasks to complete during the questline.
Shandris is the highest ranking military leader of the Night Elves, ranking as General of the Sentinel Army. She’s third in line after Tyrande as High Priestess and Malfurion as Archdruid.
She’s also old enough to have fought in the War of the Ancients, where she lost her family. After that she became Tyrande’s adoptive daughter.
In BfA you’ll see John J. Keeshan (aka WoW Rambo) comment on how he feels he is barely worthy to speak in her presence because of her experience.
And she’ll reply that they are equals, that his experiences make him the same as her or something.
This is by memory, so I don’t know the exact wording.
The xenophobia shown by the Night Elves, has died for the most part.
There’s no in-game reason to believe that. The Cenarion Circle has been both Night Elves and Tauren for as long as WoW has existed. With more races added in as they got the druid class.
The only reason that there’s more Night Elf leaders in the Cenarion Circle is that there’s more Night Elf druids than others in-lore. As it’s the only culture in WoW that’s heavily centered around druidism, as the entire race was allied with Ysera for a very long time and they aided her in the Emerald Dream.
In every other culture, druids are either living outside of general society as is the case with Kul’Tirans and to an extent Worgen. Or there’s just not that many of them as is the case with Tauren/HMTauren and Trolls.
As for the Zandalari I assume these Dinomancers aren’t as common as Night Elven druids, as the Zandalari don’t seem like a druidic people.
They don’t. The three clans grind against each other politically, but relations are good between the Bronzebeards and the Wildhammers.
Incorrect. The Elves of Quel’Thalas seceded from the Alliance after the Second War, because some Elves, chief among them King Anasterian Sunstrider blamed the Alliance for their forests burning.
Orgrim Doomhammer, the Warchief at the time had allied with the Amani Trolls on the promise that he helped them free their Warlord Zul’jin from a human prison.
Which he did, but Zul’jin wouldn’t join the Horde before the Horde agreed to aid the Amani in an attack on Quel’Thalas. As Zul’jin saw it as the perfect opportunity to wipe the ancient rivals of the Amani from the face of Azeroth.
On their way there they crossed into Wildhammer territory and to stop the constant bombardment from the Gryphon riders they had to split the Horde in two. One half besieged Aerie Peak to keep the Wildhammers tied down, and the other half accompanied the Amani Trolls to Quel’Thalas.
The Alliance army under Anduin Lothar broke the siege of Aerie Peak and the Wildhammers joined the Alliance and informed Lothar that the Horde had split in half.
Turalyon and Alleria was dispatched with half the Alliance army and fought together with the High Elves against the combined forced of the Horde and the Amani Trolls.
Long story short and simplified. The Horde left the Amani before Silvermoon fell to lay siege to Lordaeron’s capital city and destroy it, and the Alliance army had to break off in pursuit. Leaving the High Elves to fight the Amani on their own.
After the war the Elves seceded from the Alliance because of this “betrayal”. Which was the correct move tactically speaking, as Lordaeron was the only thing keeping the Alliance together.
(Chronicles Volume 2: Chapter V: The Second War)
So they were not in the Alliance during or after the Third War. And the only reason they aided the Alliance afterwards was because Anasterian was dead. And Kael’thas had never shared his father’s isolationistic and borderline xenophobic tendencies. He believed Quel’Thalas needed the Alliance just as much as the Alliance needed them. So he tried to reforge the bond. And instead he met Garithos.
Othmar Garithos was a bastard. No one is disputing that. He lead by circumstance, not merit. He just happened to be the highest ranking military official left in the Alliance.
He was xenophobic and prejudiced and gave the the Blood Elves impossible tasks, that more or less would have ended with the decimation of their forces.
The Draenei don’t despise the Broken. They fear them to a degree.
The Broken were transformed by a magic plague created by Gul’dan and his warlocks. Any Draenei infected by it degenerated into the Broken. The Draenei worried they would spread their affliction. And even though Velen and Maraad called for the acceptance of the Broken, they were not heeded.
So it started with fear, not blind prejudice.
(Chronicles Volume 2: Chapter III: Rise of the Horde)
That questline is in the Swamp of Sorrows, Avuun is trying to heal a sick Broken by the name of Magtoor.
I can’t recall anywhere in the questline where he says he’s shunned because he helps the Broken. I can only remember him saying he has worked for years to try to find a cure, or at the very least reconnect them to the Light.
Near the end of the questline Velen shows up and says a blessing for Magtoor and lets him pass peacefully into death.
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