Please debloat shamans

Replies in threads like this are always obnoxious.

“Hurr durr less button bloat means that you want to press 2 buttons”

OP, I agree. Resto Shaman in particular has an extremely bloated toolkit.

“Hurr durr less button bloat means that you want to press 2 buttons”

They copy/paste that to seem cool. Buttons that doesn’t need any kind of decision shouldn’t exist.

People nowadays are repulsed with even their gaps in their rotations. We are all hyperactive brats. Lol.

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Well no… you guys are considering “button bloat” what isent button bloat.

In the case of Resto Shaman, one could beg the question why do we have 2 ST spells (lava burst + lightning bolt). Or why do we have healing rain if we get Deluge and Tidal Waves from Riptides ?

And those two spells are things that you use constantly. Non stop in PvE.

I could go on with Elemental as well. There are a few things that dont make sense. And we can argue about it…

But making a whole deal about 1 button you press ONCE every dungeon/arena… or very specific CDs that you use maybe… once in 30s… is kinda… lame IMO…

Especially because it diverts the conversation. We should be talking about the things we use ALL THE TIME. Like Lava Burst. Like Riptide and Healing Rain. Like Chain Lightning and Earthquake… those things…

Why should we talk about the things we use ALL THE TIME?

Dude is saying something that bothers him, which is valid imo and it kinda bothers me too. That thing doesn’t add anything to class.

I also said one thing we use all the time, u object to that too^^

Because over the course of 1 dungeon i used watershield + windfury + weapon enchant only ONCE.

Meanwhile, i casted 311 riptides. 73 earth shields and 154 healing rains…

What do you think deserves more cognitive attention ? And guess what skills i got keybinded and which ones i got at the corner of my screen, with no keybind (just by clicking on it).

First of all i don’t understand what you want.

Because you objected to removing lightning bolt too.

Secondly, you might not see having 5 action bar slots filled with 5 different buffs but OP does. That doesn’t make his issue any less important than yours. It is still button bloat.

While we might argue in a “political way of class balance”, if in game buttons that require global cooldowns should be removed or not. His suggestion doesn’t nerf of buffs us so it’s perfectly fine to discuss on part of preferences.

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You did not read my reasoning then. And that was in a Lightning vs. Fire builds in Elemental Shaman.

What I said is that I object to having 2 ST spells mushed into the same talent tree. And that TODAY lightning bolt synergies better with our talent tree as the “spam spell” every class has. And that Lava Burst should get demoted to a big hitting CD.

Blizzard partially did it already, but they did not completely kill the fire build. And they should IMO. To prevent button bloat.

TLDR is : Mushing together Lightning and Fire builds in the same talent tree is equivalent to mushing together Fire Mages and Frost Mages in the same talent tree (and sharing ALL the spells).

THAT is what I said.

But at what point does it go from “personal preference” or “quality of life changes” to full blown button bloat ?

From my point of view, button bloat refers to executing a ROTATION and not having enough GCDs to press all the necessary buttons. That is what it is.

And from that much more technical and less “opinion oriented” analysis, buffs dont qualify as “button bloat”. They qualify as “quality of life”. And that is my opinion about LB and Lava Burst… Quality of life and clarity. And of course OP is entitled to his opinion as well on quality of life improvements. But he is confusing terms.

I dont get why u are annoyed by weapon enhancements. Once per hour and it just gives some fantasy. The same goes with shield refreshes etc.
I can get why you would be annoyed though rebuffing after each death in a bg with lightning shield>earth shield>mastery buff 3 gcd to go for mount then. If it happens 3-4 times in few mins could be annoying.
Thats all.
And for the record this is not button bload. Its plethora of buttons that need refresh after respec. Are u that lazy?

It is ADHD class of WoW.

Though at one point, I missed shamans having totems, and now that we have them back it feels too much. Maybe they should combine them, IDK. It is certainly the most fun class though.

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You could press flametongue, windfury, mastery, lighting shield, earth shield every 10 hours and it would still be unnecessary bunch of buttons to put on your action bars. They are literally pointless, especially weapon buffs + ls/ws.

Not if you consider Shamans as a whole. You can have different weapon imbues. Not to mention different shield imbues, or none at all. You can have different shields, depending on spec.

And shields decay. So you have to renew Earth Shield all the time. But not Lightning Shield. So it makes sense that its 2 buttons.

The only thing that is constant is Windfury totem. All the rest might not be important for YOU, but they are for a RShaman.

You don’t have different weapon imbues, you literally use only the one suited for your spec. Same goes for water/lightning shield. The only valid point you made was about earth shield and it should be resto only.

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Yeah… but lightning shield and flame tongue are in my spell book too. And I occasionally use them.

But I mean… I got “Primal Strike” and “Far Sight” and “Water Walking” on my spell books as well. And I only use “water walking” once very month or so…

I dont see where the big deal of pressing 3 buttons every hour is…

I dont think so. Its good for DDs as self heal to have it.

As for resto, what I would do is remove its GCD. It costs mana to put it on people, and shifting it from one person to the next gives more gameplay than statically leaving it on the tank.

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