Please blizzard forum team tell the devs what the players want.
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Highly supporting this idea.
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Why would anything short of account wide not be enough tho ?
Imho progression systems & character power shouldn’t be account wide .
Skip introduction questlines giving you essences on alts ? Alright.
Nerf requirements for rep essences ? Sure.
Increase rep gains on alts or increase the rate at which you obtain an essence on alts ? Awesome.
But no to account wide progression systems. There are other ways to deal with the essences with less future consequences than account wide essences
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I agree with this, but with how essences work and considering what they are, i won’t review them like normal power progression, so i am in favour of account wide essences because they are that bad a system.
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But isn’t there many other ways to make it better other than setting such a dangerous precedent ? The playerbase don’t take it lightly when you take some convenience away from them no matter how insignificant it is.
I don’t really want to end up in a game where your character doesn’t really matter as everything is account wide (what’s the next step, account wide gear ?)
Of course that’s just some tin foil hat theory for now but still, doesn’t ease my worries …
Still believe a few tweaks to the system could be just as effective without the future implications of an account wide progression system, no matter how bad it is.
The next step is nothing, because for the love of god hope in your hearth that they don’t make such a bad system like essence again. The problem is not only the time requirement (which is the most immediate and easier to see problem), They are flawed at the core. While forcing players in content they may not like can be a positive thing, maybe they will discover they enjoy this other type of content etc… people usually know what they like and what they don’t, which is why after doing this grind on your main you know what content you enjoy and want to focus on. This system doesn’t let you do, even if they reduce the amount you are still forced to do content you now know for sure you don’t enjoy. Still a heavy nerf (the one in ptr is way too small) wouldstill be a welcome change, scraps are better then nothing.
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They could at least make them non-timegated for alts, once you have obtained R3 on your main:
Conflict & Strife: Every 500 conquest gets you the equivalent of a weekly chest for the essences, you get contribution to R3 based on your rank.
Essence of the focusing Iris: Just completing a mythic+ in time at the required level gets you the equivalent of the drop from the weekly chest.
Vision of Perfection: Re-killing King Mechagon gets you the drop no matter whether or not you have killed him already this week. Able to reset your lockout but cannot re-loot every boss. That or some kind of repeatable activity in Mechagon.
Ripple in Space: A Repeatable world quest for alts allows you to repeat the Call To Arms for that week, the reward being solely the drop for the essence.
… and so on.
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They will be useless by the time Shadowlands comes out, who the F cares. It’s not fun being forced to only play 1 class due to restrictions. Account wide essences is the only way people can play and enjoy other classes unless you have no life and want to waste all your freetime grinding smth youve already grinded before.
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Because it’s hard to take away convenience once you gave it ? Do it once and folks will expect it for the next ones.
The rep and timegate are a pain and i can understand why no one (me included) wants to do nazjatar and mechagon twice but do you really need them on all alts ? Can’t you enjoy an alt without bis gear and essences ?
Nope ?
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I play M+ every single day, no it is absolutely not fun trying to do keys on my Unholy DK without having the right essences. I hate knowing i could do so much more dmg if i grinded the essences but im not doing it again. Not fun like this at all.
I dont have alts just for events or whatever people do with them, i want to do keys with them
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Baseline gameplay shouldn’t be gated like this. Highly agree on account wide essences.
Or at the very least, server bound.
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I can’t do the content i like if i don’t have the right essences and gating what should be the band aid for bad class design this expansion behind time and random content is not good.
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This! Big fat point here in my opinion too. The neck essences are some sort of patch, not gear progression. It’s true it’s very close to gear progression but we’re talking about a hole filler any character has to wear without choice.
I think azerite traits, essences, and all this sort of abilities should be all inside a talent tree that allows you to freely choose a build for your spec without the retarded azerite gear rng lock.
About class fantasy, it’s so stupid to see completely different classes all using a stupid laser, throwing balls of energy, etc…
When I choose I’d rather play my rogue or my mage I don’t want at all to be bursting with the same ability (lucid dreams). On top of that you also want me to repeat some silly boring quests in an area I already cleared with it’s lovely palaced and heroic queen included? 
!?
In the end, they replicated the same problems talent trees had (in terms of many times few builds being useful) but they even made it worse hiding it behind repetitive grinding and morale killing rng.
So please don’t even compare that damn necklace with gear progression.
Still I agree that pure wide-acc unlock would be too much but man, why not something like automatically unlock 2 ranks below?
You got rank 3, well done gal/bwoi! → rank 1 account open.
Rank 4 already? → rank 2 open
In many cases you would still need that rank 3 to fully progress, but it would be acceptable. Maybe have some exceptions on certain essences: like the one tied to pvp rating and the one from mechagon maybe (seems more a fancy thing than a need to me)
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Have to agree with you here. Creating a precedent can be very dangerous. If Blizz gave in for essences. Whats stoping people from asking for account wide gear?
“They made essences account-wide! Why not gear?! If I killed azhara on mythic then my fresh dinged lvl 120 also deserves the 445 gear! AFTER ALL I did Kill azhara on my main!!!”
Call me silly if you want. But a precedent is enough basis to “ask for more”.
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Agree
10 char.
Unpopular opinion here but are essences so different from gear?
People talk about essences like they’re mandatory to do anything. They’re not. Having ideal essences is like having ideal gear, aka bis stats or azerite traits from your weekly TR purchases. You can perform without bis azerite, but not “top scale”. Same difference. Unless you’re suggesting we should be able to actively shortcut the massive TR costs to pick bis azerite on alts once we’ve done it on mains?
Let’s not fool ourselves here, a lot of bis gearing is locked behind time gating a la weekly key pops and chests or raids, so the same principle applies surely? Why is one being done on alts therefore appropriate for alts to fast track it, but not the other? For example if I buy a specific 450 az piece on my main, why can’t my alts purchase it for half the price? Same principle surely? Both are linked to “peak performance”.
I’ve healed mythic 11s on my shaman with two green essences. I don’t see how they’re required to play, unless by required to play you mean participate in mythic rsids/+20, which is a bit disingenuous.
Because one is based on a too long grind being as it is, with not progress or fun, just several gates doing dailies in naz and mech for way too long.
Going into raid, pvp or m+ content is way different, you get to play the game not some repetitive choir, and you progress with that character more or less fast.
How can you compare Aszshara mythic with level 1 lucid dreams? I’m not in favour of full level unlock either, but having to repeat zone dailies after you’ve done it on your main… at least lv1 should’ve unlocked after one character has a high degree of pogression or some sort of BoA boost that main can send into a particular alt.
450 chest is peak performance yes, and nobody asked nothing close to that here. The neck is not peak performance is a gap filler for the skill prunning and the failure of azerite system.
450 chest will take a lot of progression and challenging gameplay while the neck is basically achieved after repeating the same zone you already unlocked, with no challenge needed, just time pouring.
For me it’s 10+ times already I played the Nazj and Mech unlock and starting quests, grinded it to the lv3 essence on 4 alts. I totally think I deserve some kind of boost here at least around some basic essences, lv1 or 2. It’s so dull to have to endure the same scenario unlock, the follower quests, etc.
Pvp rate gating, the king mechagon update, the m+ one, all those seems fine to me.
It’s mostly the reputation and daily quest ties that bother me a lot.
Agreed on this post.
Essences should be made account wide. Especially with Shadowlands coming up.
Gearing up / playing alts is very tedious if you also have to worry about farming essences from different sources.
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