Yes we hit like wet noodles at the moment.
Outside burst phase at least. Our non-holy-spenders basically donât do damage and TV while very powerful is not filling the gap entirely - especially when you are HP starved for some reason. It would be really nice if Crusader Strike and Blade of Justice together with normal Judgement (not only empowered DT version) actually did some more serious damage.
If you do raid sims TV does nearly 50% of our whole damage! One skill! And it will only get more dominant the stronger itâs conduits become. Then there is a HUGE hole, and there is an ordinary melee attack with about 12%. And then you have BoJ with astonishing ~~ 9%. Judgement had 5.5% and Crusader Strike is like 4.5% damage, it wouldnât even be worth pressing if it was not to fuel TV.
These skills wouldnât be OP even if they buffed them all at once by 50% or even more. Iâm not even sure if they should tone down TV while doing that because these skills are right now so small % of our DPS that would be barely noticeable on charts anyway. If Ret didnât have Ringing Clarity Iâm not sure if it would have such high place in PVP right now, because Retâs ability to apply damage pressure is not very high without it to be honest.
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First off, yes Blizzard does not read EU forums, or rather the people who make changes donât. The moderators donât have the power to change classes, they are just here so we donât eat one another.
Second, the Kyrian covenant or rather the conduit for it is insane for Ret, but it can be crappy as well (Is that good design? ofc not). All the other Ret covenant abilities are horrible to use, this one is the only one thats fun (Does not mean the conduit should not get changed).
The other problem is people were warning Blizzard (Me included) months ahead of the launch that Ret covenants were horrible. And overall I worry as well that Blizzard will do what they always do for Ret, hammer the whole spec because hitting a 20% nerf across the board is easier then actually understanding what you designed⌠or rather the collage sub that was on his lunch break that Blizzard hired to make class changes for Ret.
They should do one of a few things for the Kyrian conduit. Make it hit 2 extra times and always crit. Or hit 3 extra times but never crit (Guess it comes down to how much HP they want this spell to give). The real problem for this combo is when u use all cds, and you get max procs + crits. It just globals.
Another thing, Ret is a one trick pony with this. Meaning if you gut it and leave EVERY other op spec and covenant ability like the Convoke for Boomies and all the insanity SPs and MM Hunts have, or Rogues even, what that means is Ret will get destroyed in pvp but the overall pvp balance will not get any better. They simply need to actually adjust so so many spells that I can literally see them nerfing everything to the ground except what they find fun and leaving those few op for the whole xpac. As well lets say they nerf all the op dps classes, well what happens to the healers? None of them are ever casting, and heal 70% in 1 instant, so how will they die? Do we go back to endless dampening games? So now they need to be fixed. You think Blizzard will put that much work in? Lol not in the best of days, let alone this Blizzard of today.
I could be wrong but I think they made Holinka the boss for class design in SL, not just pvp, and I am not shocked since the whole xpac feels like Legion open world pvp, where we were globaling one another the whole xpac.
To sum it up: A lot of nerfs have to happen and a lot of adjustments before pvp in SL will be âbalancedâ. All in all they wont put in the work so better start getting use to the busted.
If they nerf us Ret palys anymore then itâs game over for us as weâre like hanging onto a very ruined rope so if they cut the rope then the line there holds us as a decent class would be gone.
And this is why they need to balance most specs, not just Ret.
This is why I said fixing Ret and leaving the rest as they are is not the correct solution, but again knowing Blizzard they will just take the hammer to the spec and leave a few others broken for the whole xpac.
If history will repeat itself once again we have about 2 more weeks of enjoying playing Ret (in PVE we are actually mid tier for most content, not even close to OP) until they delete it from the game for entire expansion and will be back to be a meme wheelchair mentally and physically handicapped spec.
Meanwhile Iâm nearly sure that locks, rogues and mages will be on top of everything.
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maybe we wonât suck.
Blizzard may this time not have the balls to delete Ret because there are LOTS of Rets running around in this expansion. All these Ret-starved people said âIs this time? Can we finally play Ret without being laughed at?â and mained Ret.
If Blizzard deletes Ret AGAIN they may lose thousands of players, and this number is not exaggerated at all at this point. Even in my guild people were telling that they are going to finally make some Ret alt, because they always wanted to try it as it looks fun, but never actually did because it was on the bottom of everything and it would feel bad to play to be inferior. Some other people on forums and reddit claimed they returned to WoW ONLY to finally play good iteration of Ret.
This spec has pretty big fanbase, because itâs just fun to play. Thatâs why we see so many pink nicks lastly. Ret is just fun. Even with his wheelchair.
If they drop Ret to the bottom again - backlash may be huge this time. Especially because people are still mad about BFA as a whole, and currently Shadowlands still has credit of trust, because overall it plays very good and devs at least seem to be a little bit less clueless, because they already nerfed Ret (ES + FR) and reverted it a moment later, so they actually had reflection rather than overnerf things to the ground and let them rot because they are too lazy to change it.
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I donât mind not being at the top but as long as iâll not be declined in m+ all of the time and when i try to maky own group i cannot get any healers or tanks.
Yeah this conduit needs a nerf asap. RNG one shotting people is not ok for any spec.
But anyway that Kyrian covenant is kind of garbage for ST pve. I would rather prefer Necrolords in this case. That hammer on 30 secs cooldown (plus free divine storm auto cast) is a nice filler with a flat 5 to 6% overall dps increase. Not to mention the passive 13% str buff for 5 seconds or permanent 3% str or in m+ permanent 120 mastery + 2% str. As Necrolord you are also not âforcedâ into a specific conduit so you can take that Blade of Justice DoT thing which can be up to 10% of our total dps, depending on crit luck.
Wait, this thing has so high damage? I thought it was pure garbage? Also Iâm not even using Ringing Clarity personally, empowering TV is much more reliable and will end up with way higher damage output over time. Ringing Clarity actually is mostly for PVP IMO if we want to maximize single target burst. I never treated Ringing clarity as default choice for PVE. Only on very high level conduit that has high proc chance - then maybe. But now with around 40% to proc I would rather have stronger TV.
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So theyâve just changed it or?
WE DID IT BOYS.
Paladin
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(With realm restarts) Ringing Clarity (Kyrian) can now trigger up to 2 multi-casts in PvP situations (was 3).
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(With realm restarts) Judgment (Kyrian) cast from Divine Toll deals 75% increased damage in PvP situations (was 100%).
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(With realm restarts) Final Reckoning increases the damage of Holy Power abilities by 30% in PvP situations (was 50%).
We did what now?
We did not get removed from the game because of one conduit broken for pvp.
hopefully they look at boomy triple starsurge, ele 17k lightning bolt overloads, windwalkers and subt rogues now!
u are ⌠they will no touch it , GG for ret nerf ( joke )
Other class will no take nerf , u are paladin and u cry for nerf just go reroll
and u hope self heal get nerf too ? U whine for nerf UR CLASS
Go reroll rogue or other class dont need ânerfâ
The DoT is also based on rng but in average its ST as strong as that TV conduit according to nightly sims (weekly sims are buggy) when having like 20% crit. The big advantage of this DoT is its universal use. BoJ is used in any situtation, TV isnât.