PLs no return of masterloot

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Bull.

The amount of guilds that fall into your category that i have been part of during my entirety of playing this game is two. In numbers: 2. And both of them i left. And i have been in plenty of guilds.

If one jumps from one guild to another without taking ones time then you cant really expect stuff to change or expect any level of quality. You can smell the guilds you speak about from miles away.

If they wanted to cater towards the “nolifing raiders” then they would have just removed the trading restriction of personal loot. This would in fact be better for them than the return of master loot or anything similar because of class stacking for certain loot pieces that is being done by them on mass at the start of the tier.

Also its not even master loot. Its group loot. A system that operates completely different.

That wont happen to me simply because i dont take every hillibilly guild.

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Kretias There always some even in pro guilds thats lower end of foodchain.
Its to me not abuot loot am massive fan personal loot not but it was better than other loot systems i seen .
Personal loot pros are.

  • Its rng from blizzard on blizzard to blame.
    +its most fair system i seen in life u wont get any thing u wish for ether sadly.
    +No guild Corruption issu off ML
    The Bad points personal loot
  • To much RNG!!!
  • cant trade loot u dont but its added to protect players aswel
  • Some times is just not feelin Rewardin
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I’m hoping they will bring back master loot in all forms of content this time; outdoor world content, battlegrounds, Mists of Pandaria scenarios, island expeditions, and even solo Torghast. This would be my hope

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Master Loot coming back in some shape or form is literally one of the reasons why I re-subscribed to the game last week and am preparing myself for Dragonflight.

To hell with this full random garbage we had to suffer for years, we need some more player control and actual interactions between people.

By the way, “Player getting loot banned for a single mistake” or “GM giving everything to their girlfriend” is a Myth.

Most people saying that are people who actually never played in a raiding guild (dudes we can check the history of your entire account, we KNOW that you never raided -_-), or actual bad players who would rather blame their situation on random fake stories rather than admitting they FACTUALLY did not deserve the loot.

Then again if you ever come accross one of those extremely toxic guilds from ancient WoW legends, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t just… leave the guild?

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As example I am from the old old days.
There a person who had every rare mount. Every bit hey wanted.
And thx to ML primarly.
I forgot the guild Name but internal strife ended the guild.
A waste a good guild Some off this drama coud prevented with personal loot even.
Cuze Wow is not commisme.
There is no greater good And ML loot master we do so u bennefit who gets the loot.
Leader
Tank
Healer
Raider DPs
Below that they disenchanted loot…so new member in trial had no loot.
And they called it the greater good for guild.

ML Is just form self empowering for the upper layer of guild.
They like u U get loot they dont like u They lower ur chances.
I seen councels for loot FAiL
DKP system was horendes aswel.
Ether best is personal Why …U CANT BLAME A GUILDY AND IT PREVENTS DRAMA IN A GUILD!!!

Sorry A gm Abusin position to his wife GF kid some loot is not a myth.
It happend trust me…
If the ML looter didn like they seek a reasen not to give u the loot.
simple as that.

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Why would’t people leave the guild as soon as the ML stole even just one Mount?

I’m sorry but people who do/did that are toxic to begin with and you don’t want to be around them, you won’t have me believe that they are actually nice guys when loot isn’t involved.

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That is universal and has nothing to do with ML being a thing or not. Even PL didnt prevent people like Perfecto to get hard benched. In fact PL was the reason he had to be hard benched.

Lets ignore that PL heavily supports class/spec stacking to get the corresponding drops. Something that was not possible with ML. This was born solely because of PL.

You still have that even with PL the moment something of equal ilvl drops even if said item is of higher value for you. The item is then eligible to trade and as such gets handed over to the “loot council”. This will result in either you trading it over to the person that was decided to get the item even if it is an upgrade for you or for you to get kicked/benched if you refuse to trade it.

So saying that there is no guild corruption possible is flat out false.

PL was introduced for the sole reason so people dont cluster the ticket system or the forums and blizzard having yet another automated system in place they can point towards so they dont have to investigate every ticket regarding pugs whether or not a RL was tricking people with ML.

The RNG was already present during ML.

You can trade loot.

Still a thing even with PL. Unless you want to get G kicked if the guild has a certain way how to handle boss mounts such as the mythic only ones.

Then leave the bloody guild. Its not that hard.

And again: You are getting Group Loot. Which is far worse than ML. Have fun with every item being a “hunter item”.

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The old old days Guilds had alot more power.
And it was abussed,
ATm a guild is just extra chat screen If ur lucky i may get help in a key…
MAybe i am negative on trust of poeple but sofar i seen no reasen to trust poeple in wow ether wit power.
Atm like i sad guilds are far less orgenised that they once where .
There was a pick order fredns officers.
And Guild hoping was not realy a option ether.
It was diffrent time.
Now guilds and wow commity is pretty much not rdy yet for ML sorry.
ML comes with a fair and just mentalty I duobt most poeple are able.
Remember power currupts aswel as greed.
Thats why this system is to me fine…no one to blame acept Blizzard.
SO wat if u dont get Bis dagger Sword or armor.
THan u play for wrong reasen.
Atm u can also make loot runs with frends to get ur bis item.
If not take a other pick.
ML is not gonna fix !!! RNG issus sorry

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why would you prio healers and tanks? dps gear is what matters most.

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Tell me you arent raiding with a guild without telling me that you arent raiding with a guild.

Bwuhahahahahahaha. Now thats the joke of the century.

Still a thing in trash guilds.

It isnt now either.

Only thing i see here is that you are bad at choosing guilds.

Ah yes i too like to hold my guild members back while raiding. Significantly even in some cases. What a splendid attitude to have.

Just good that you dont get ML back then. Since you will get Group Loot. Which is significantly worse.

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You dont want to hear the answer to that trust me.

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Keep as some says earlyer in post.
The human element out of the loot system.
ML adds human elements ML is good MYTHIC guild yes.
But poeple are sheep aww they doin it so shut we do it.
And they raid heroic at best for example.

Look at how ever u want but Kretias even u know for example from own coverment for example humans make mistaks Humans can be corrupted.
This is why i am against Ml.
Atleast u can agry at blizzard now and this alot more fair any way soon u have @ hander X it wont drop for u again. easy peasy unless it A upgrade from Better M+ or heroic raid.
But to say again PL is not perfekt but atleast it cant be tuoched by human hands easy Ur loot is ur loot u earnd WAt earnd is in ur opion is not wat matters or mine.
U where in raid U have right for loot thats WOW.
ML is to keep Elit the elits and peasents the lower poeple In the long run.

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Masterloot sucked back in days… Thank god they gave us personal loot.

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The human element is present even in PL.

Actually go into what i have stated. Everything you said is either: Still the case or flat out wrong.

And, as stated, you dont even get it. You get Group Loot. Not master loot. Making your entire thread void. Group Loot also being significantly worse.

Already the case during ML.

Ye sorry but i cant decipher that.

I have already adressed this above. You have evidently no clue whatsoever how guilds operate nowadays.

Again: In trash guilds. Further supporting my claim that you have no idea about guilds outside of flat out trash guilds.

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You will get group loot. Aka need/greed system. Have fun with that.

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Well the human hand u talk abuot The person who got the loot.
Hey/she earnd its his/herr.
And i tend give loot i dont need away.
Sometimes i keep it.
If cant trade it. Its cuze blizzard added a protection for me so i cant be bullied to give it away .
PL is To much RNG but i think its current most fair system around

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No. The human hand is the one that puts your item into the loot council if you loot an item that you can trade because you have an item of equal ilvl or higher in that slot already (or just 1 if its something like a trinket or ring) and then decides who gets it regardless of it being upgrade for you or not. Not abiding that will cause your removal from the guild group in most cases.

You can already be “bullied to give it away” if the system decides you can trade it. On your DK for instance you are, by the system, eligable to trade any 294 ring or 291 trinket you get regardless of you having a second 285 ring or 265 trinket.

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Sorry But Never seen loot councel this Xpack ether.
I just wanna warn for ML thats its bad System.
I dont do raids with cuoncel.
I have guilds ur loot is urs end off it.
And PL is fine for me U clearly aim The Small minorty of mythic raiders.
Thats fine for Mythic raiders it difrent songand dance.
Even still in last few years never seen a loot cuoncel to deal loot that was not needed.
It worked fine for me.
And as for It can traded soon as pick it up any way.
So if decide not to loot no one know who cares.
As for u have 291 ring and 265 Bullied in givin it to raid leader is not ok
If item ring 285 drops for u.
Its still urs by right.
Ether i never seen Loot cuoncel or form loot sharin in years any way.
And when saw it was just bunch frends of GM decidin who get wat it was unfair system.
A form ML
And if remove from guild for keepin item thats urs but still a upgrade.
Its still Not ok…
Even if BIS to other sorry.
Kretias u are clearly mythic raider with the illision of so called greater good.
In the Guild is company. and leaders are that bennefit always the most sorry
Once again u miss point keep human hand uot of loot it leads as point uot to a form of oppresion sorry.
This wat u typed

is sadly just somthing for Very minorty of wow players that do belied in the commen good of a raid.
Believe that .
Reality is Guild is comanpy with goal. and if they dont need they remove u no matter wat u how loyal u where.

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Because you dont raid with a guild. And yes, this includes your couple raids with Eternally Condemned.

And why? Its not coming back currently. GL is. Not ML.

You dont do guild raids in the first place.

No, i am not.

Congratulation. Doesnt mean that its not being done. Which it is.

So you admit to my accusation regarding your attitude. Wonderful. Not to mention that you looting the item through your mailbox is still trackable. Plus a boss always drops a certain amount of loot dependent on the amount of people present. So unless your group is running a strange number the amount of loot that isnt dropping would make people suspicious if everyone would do it.

Not the point. You said you cant be “bullied to give it away”. While you, in fact, very much can be.

Again: Not the point.

The RL can still tell you to hand it over. Whether you go along with it or not and get kicked as a result is another question. Also define “by right”. What “right”? That the system randomly decided to drop the loot for you?

Not surprising given you dont guild raid.

Also called trash guilds.

It also reduces your odds for getting accepted into other guilds if this repeats over and over. Also because people dont take their time to pick their guilds but just grab every guild that is available.

And with that statement i already know that you A: Have no idea about guild raiding B: Were always the dead weight of your guild.

No. Im someone that knows how this game works. Thats the difference. That im raiding mythic is irrelevant. If i would bring mythic raiding into it then this wouldnt even be a discussion in the first place because your way of thinking isnt present on my level. And if such a person would arrive they would get kicked sooner than they could blink and have massive issues to set foot into it again.

In trash guilds.

You say i miss the point yet you fail to realize that human hand is present even in personal loot. The irony is baffling.

What you keep saying only applies to trash guilds im afraid whether you like to admit it or not. And those guilds always disband or get hardstuck.

A guild is not a company. That only applies to the world first guilds.

So you want a jail free card pretty much all the time regardless of your own mindset or performance. At least this is the feeling i get from this sentence. That you nag about getting kicked in prior guilds despite you being “so loyal”. Completely disregarding that your own performance is potentially a bane to every other person in the group. Yet you want to be kept in because of “loyalty”. Loyalty doesnt justify getting carried im afraid.

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hoping to extort gear from some players eh ?

shame game was so much better without people like you .

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