Possibilities of getting the mount with only 2v2

PVP Arenas
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Hello everyone,

I’ve started playing arena with my husband during BfA with 2v2 to get the corresponding mounts.
Tho it was very hard for me at the start, we’ve managed each time to get it and we were close to 1800 at some point.

Unfortunately, for some reasons, we can’t even reach 1200 this time.
We’ve upgraded all what we could with the honor points, so we’re around 202 iLvl. But we can’t improve it further since we’re only doing 2v2.

With the current state of pvp, do you think it’s possible to push over 1400 and stay there to get the mount?

Honestly, at this point, we’re pretty discouraged to continue arena.
We’ve tried changing our comp some times (I play rDruid and for now he plays warrior).
I’ve read several guides and watched videos.
But none have really worked so far.

Well, we did improve since we’re surviving more longer, comparing to the beginning of the season.
But we still can’t get enough win strikes to improve our rating.
Each time we climbed a bit, we were then punished with a severe loss strike.
Because enemies deleted us within 0.8s, because enemies had way more hp and we couldn’t deal the decisive blow, or because we couldn’t counter their comp, and probably more other reasons.

I know I still make big mistakes, but it’s not like we’re aiming for glad either.
So, is it now just normal to struggle like this at this rating?

It’s very disheartening to see that we’ve improved a lot since BfA, only to see such low rating.
To have better understanding of other classes, enemy timings, cc, etc, and to not get results at all, if not worse.

Thank you for having read until there.
We’ve kind of gave up after another disastrous session today and I guess I was a bit sad after having tried so hard.

I’m still curious to get some other opinions, if someone else got through the same situation, or if you just had some pieces of advice (maybe what we aim for is not totally impossible?). =)

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Stick to that comp, but you should consider swapping to Necrolord as Rdruid, and he should ideally be Venthyr. (Rdruid/War is -very- strong in 2s currently, and probably the strongest comp for warrior.)
So stick to it and -really- learn it with the respectable Covenants, and climbing should be easy enough :slight_smile:

Additionally, if you’re having no luck currently with Arenas, you could try pugging some RBGS to get a bit higher rating for the slight gear advantage, before pushing yet again (or M+ for gear)

A lot seem to struggle, the gear differences not doing much in your favor either, but if you’re relatively new to arenas, I’d recommend getting some more addons, to help with awareness (Gladius, BigDebuffs, Omnibar or even Gladiatorlossa)

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Do not worry. You will get it.
What you need is experience (games, games, games)

I play (struggle) with what has apparently become the strongest fotm healer, and I’m racking up the mounts from 2v2. Currently at 3 or 4 out of 6 I think.

It’s lame, but a lot is gained from not over-exposing yourself.

One of Druid’s bigger strengths is being able to stay out of reach. This way, you will hardly be one-shot as much.

Is the Bash worth it right now, or will I be in immediate peril?
Can this aggressive cyclone/trinket yield a kill?

I have never played druid, so I shouldn’t talk. I am however certain you will be collecting mounts very soon.
Playing with someone you trust means the world, and you are running a decent comp to boot!

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The game is currently quite unfair to the point it is becoming a joke. I am trying to gear my hunter in 2s and i played quite some games last night. I have met 0 people who are on the same gear level (206), 0 … All the people I have fought had rivalish or even full elite gear. I managed to get 1500 but I am most definatly being gatekept by boosters, boosted people and people who got gear in other brackets. If you are casual like you are, I can only imagine the pain:/

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Thanks a lot for your reply! ^^

Yeah, he plays venthyr. We actually started the season with him playing kyrian, but we realised that the spear was probably more interesting if played with another melee such a ret, for instance.
Now, with the ‘‘right’’ covenant, we indeed feel the difference.
Tho we still struggle a lot against double dps with a lot of off-healing, we feel like playing 1 DPS/1 healer vs 2 DPS + 1 extra healer, haha.

For my part, I chose night fae for my night elf, because it’s really the covenant which goes best with her. And I play boomy for pve, so I quite like convoke for that.
I’m actually considering levelling a zandalari druid instead to get dinosaurs, a good racial and whom I can send to the Necrolords without regret. :laughing:

Concerning RBG or Mythic, he doesn’t have time for, unfortunately (and it’s not something he enjoys anyway).
And, for me, it’s something I’ve never tried (I began WoW at mid-Legion).
I actually don’t even know how to heal more than one ppl effectively, so I doubt I would be accepted - and kept - even if I wanted to try. :sweat_smile:

And finally, thanks for the name of the addons. I indeed have none. ^^’
For some reasons I felt like it’s cheating, but since it’s allowed by Blizzard and used a lot of ppl, I guess it’s ok.
Tho we now kind of feel when CD are gonna be used and when it’s ready again, it can’t be as accurate as what an add-on would show. :smile:

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it is a difficult season because of how quickly you can lose if you make a mistake. you don’t have nearly as much time to react to what is happening and make a decision as you used to in bfa.

even if you play better now, you’re still in a position where if you’re not quick to react, you’ve already lost, whereas in bfa you would have seen his health going down slowly and had time to press buttons, even if you didn’t know what they were doing to get there quite as well.

so it makes sense, don’t be too hard on yourself.

and yes, grab addons. make it easier for yourself. no point self-sabotaging in the name of “playing fair” or something when they’re allowed within the rules.

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Thanks for your nice words! :grin:

I kind of feel you, when you play a class/comp which is supposed to be god-tiers, and yet you don’t seem to see the results which go with. :rofl:

Maybe we don’t feel its OPness because we are still low iLvl (and enemies are often higher). But that’s right we can grasp why ppl hate playing vs this comp when we face a highly geared warrior who removes one third of your health bar each time he hits. And who just effortlessly follows you everywhere despite you playing one of the most mobile classes. :sweat_smile:

Concerning what you said about staying out of reach from enemies, it’s true that most of time, enemies will target the war, instead of commiting themselves on a druid they suppose will kite them.
I still have to improve my positioning tho, because I sometimes am also out of reach of my partner, which is obviously bad. :sweat_smile:
Also, that’s right I’m often controlled first by the enemy, and then I run to catch up the heals and I don’t have time/the opportunity to aggressively control them.

And finally, I don’t play priest in pvp either. But if it can be of some help, I often see enemy priests cast mind games at the start of the game while we’re both high HP and not in danger.
Apart from confirming us that they indeed play venthyr and that we should watch out for the next Mind games, it doesn’t do much, since I can smoothly dispel it.
It’s totally another story tho when it’s cast on me during a burst where I’m desperately trying to keep one of us (if not both haha) alive.
Chances are higher that it’ll end up with “OH, NO, THERE HAS BEEN MIND GAMES ON ME FOR 2 SECONDS ! … Welp, sorry, RIP. :upside_down_face:”. Or it’ll take me 1 or 2 seconds to notice and dispel it and…knowing that you can see a 100-0 within a second or less with the actual meta, it’s gg for priest’s team. :laughing:

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this kind of awareness thing is a typical thing addons can help you with! you could have a weakaura that says “MINDGAMES UP” in the middle of your screen when it’s up if you are having trouble noticing it. you can have gladiatorlossa calling out scary things you want to know about, or a weakaura making a pling or putting a notice on your screen. you can have omnibar showing you how long is left on your opponents cooldowns so you know to be ready for their stuff.

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Yes, we had a really hard time when we started arenas again, with all the games finishing within like 10 seconds and us wondering what did just happened. :sweat_smile:
Then, we understood that we had to pop our defensive CD way much earlier (if not immediately) and sometimes several of them at the same time, which wasn’t the case during BfA.

One of the remaining issues though is that you do not often have the human reaction time to save yourself from the enemy burst.
Typical example is with rogue-mage.
Should you pop all defensives at the very start and the mage will just save his combustion for later. :sweat:
Or it could go like one of the last games we had:
Me: Ok, if the mage is within my reach and in combustion, I’ll CC him to deny the burst. Warriors have strong defensives, so my mate should be able to deal with the rogue.
Mage appears near for once and is indeed in combustion
Me: Yeah! I just have to move a bit and here goes Mighty bash! :smiley:
‘‘Hey! It’s ok, I got him during his combustion!’’
‘‘Mh? But why is it written dead on your nameplate?’’
Turned out that he didn’t even have time to press trinket, so as for defensives… :confused:
We don’t really see how you can have time to analyse and react when the game shows in recap afterwards that ''0.4s before your death, you had 40% of your HP". :sweat_smile:

And well, you are right. The meta is way to bursty to have time to search for the little mind games icon all the game.
And I’d be able to use my thorns more efficiently if we’re aware of the exact CD. :grin:

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when it comes to the really big damage, such as combustion, try giving yourself more time by reacting to the cooldown itself rather than the damage. so it’s not “oh, combustion is up! now let’s see how much damage i’m taking, am i okay here? hmm…” because at this point there’s a good chance you are dead already, or at least low enough to where you will die through your cooldowns if you do press them. you see combustion, you press your buttons, and try to do it at high health so they get more value and you’re less likely to die through.

indeed it can be hard to see these things in the heat of the moment, especially if your timeframe for finding them is short. definitely make use of addons, but a tip: don’t overdo it.

if you try to track everything you think might be important, you’ll soon have gladiatorlossa shouting in your ears 24/7 while your whole screen fills up with icons, and at that point your brain just filters it out. try to keep it to a few things that you think are the most important, and go from there, adding more things as you go if you find it necessary.

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Yep, that’s right. ^^’
For instance, the second a ret deploys his shining wings, we immediately press our buttons and we somehow manage to survive in most cases.

But it’s more tricky when a mage/rogue is involved. Because you know there are CC you cannot afford to trinket, as it’s a short duration and you know there are longer and more dangerous CC after this one.
But from time to time, you’ll realise that the burst is way more violent than expected, and by the time you want to trinket as a last resort, it’s already too late. :confused:

Thanks for the additional tips concerning the add-ons, I’ll let my mate install it and configure them. He knows what’s important so it won’t end up like the cockpit of a plane which is crashing. :sweat_smile:

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You can do it! Still a lot of time left this season. If your warrior has the time to make multiple legendaries then misshapen mirror is a good option to have versus casters. It will definitely net you wins if he can reflect cc that’s going onto you or things like mindgames and other big burst abilities (as long as you are in each others line). Oops I replied to the wrong person.

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try not to think too much about the duration of it. if you need to trinket, you need to trinket. a 4 second sheep could be more dangerous than an 8 second one, it just depends on the situation. going with the idea that you would die later if you use now is only correct if you do not die right now as a result of not using. if you are going to lose, you need to use your buttons.

but very generally speaking, try to trinket blind as the healer, but don’t die with cooldowns left just because you’re worried you might need them later. you might win before that happens, or you might manage to outplay it somehow, or they might mess it up.

try to have your warrior start the game in defensive stance with some hots on and you in stealth, then when they open you can stun one if you like, or perhaps ironbark him from a safe distance. he can use his trinket parry with a storm bolt or a disarm or something if it’s looking scary.

oh as a last not before i head to bed. druids don’t have very good panic buttons, so it can be harder for you to recover if you end up in these “last resort” situations than it would have been for a paladin who could blessing of sacrifice or bubble, or a disc priest who could radiance.

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NF resto is actually good in 2s if you can play feral affinity and convoke on cat form on same target as your warrior.

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Well, thank you all for your answers! ^^
We made a pause concerning arena for a while and we are trying again now. :smile:
I’ll try to keep in mind your tips and, even if we don’t succeed in the end, it will have at least allow me to get better. :yum:

(We noticed btw that we can gain more rating per win now. Maybe a consequence of Blizzard’s tuning concerning the rating for 2v2. ^^)

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You only gate kept by your own skill

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nah at one point it is trying to attempt competing with a bobby car in a formula 1 race.

if he had gear he would be easy 200 rating higher than he would be without gear.
If that 200 rating means 1.2k or 2k does not matter at all in this scenario. If you are at a disadvantage you are always gate kept in a lower rating.

can you reach 1.8k in 200 ilvl gear? yes if you are a 2k+ skilled player that plays a good spec that is less reliant on gear.
Can you reach 1.6k in garbanzo gear if you are a 1.6k player? nope not at all.

sure you can practice tons of games to be more than a 1.6k player in the first place, but lets be honest most people just don’t have the time to play 1k games each week =)

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